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[halil]

who tells the truth ????? Figures are keep changing all the time .....Truth both communities are suffered in Cyprus .....with stupid ideas of XXXXXX..............

• The government of the Republic of Cyprus reports a total of 210,000 IDPs, while the Turkish Cypriot administration states the internal displacement issue was solved in 1975 with the Vienna agreements
• The figure from the government of the Republic of Cyprus does not include some 26,000 people displaced by the events of 1963-64
• Other sources also state there were 210,000 people displaced by the events of 1974, though one source estimates the number to be 205,000 people ..................???????

Republic of Cyprus, 27 September 2007:
According to the government of the Republic of Cyprus, there are currently 210,000 internally displaced people on the island. The government uses the United Nations figure for people displaced by the events of 1974-75, which does not include the number of people displaced by the events of 1963-64.

"Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", 18 October 2007:
"The issue of displaced persons was conclusively settled between the two parties through the Voluntary Exchange of Population Agreement reached in Vienna on August 2, 1975, and implemented under United Nations auspices. In accordance with this Agreement, Turkish Cypriots remaining in the South moved to the North and Greek Cypriots remaining in the North moved to the South with the exception of a few hundred Greek Cypriots who chose to reside in the South. Both the Agreement and its implementation are well recorded in relevant UN documents. (S/11789 of 5 August 1975, S/11789/Add.1 of 10 September 1975).

[halil]

Financial Mirror, 13 July 2007:
"[...] More than 162,000 Greek Cypriots, about a quarter of the total population, who were forcibly expelled from the occupied northern part of the island, where they constituted about 70% of the population, are still deprived of the right to return to their homes and properties [...]

"During the 1963-64 period, it is estimated that around 25,000 Turkish Cypriots (one-fourth of the entire Turkish Cypriot community at that time) and 700 Greek Cypriots (including 500 Armenians) were displaced. Of these, approximately 1,300 Turkish Cypriots had returned to their homes by 1970; the remainder were still displaced in the summer of 1974 when events led to the present de facto division of Cyprus. The resulting dislocation of people was massive. According to official Greek Cypriot sources, 142,000 Greek Cypriots (close to 30% of the entire Greek Cypriot community at that time) were displaced from the northern to the southern part of the island; and, according to official Turkish Cypriot sources, 45,000 Turkish Cypriots (close to 40% of the entire Turkish Cypriot community at that time) relocated from the south to the north....

it seems everyone is talking how it is suit their acceptions......

[halil]

Financial Mirror, 13 July 2007:
"[...] More than 162,000 Greek Cypriots, about a quarter of the total population, who were forcibly expelled from the occupied northern part of the island, where they constituted about 70% of the population, are still deprived of the right to return to their homes and properties [...]

"During the 1963-64 period, it is estimated that around 25,000 Turkish Cypriots (one-fourth of the entire Turkish Cypriot community at that time) and 700 Greek Cypriots (including 500 Armenians) were displaced. Of these, approximately 1,300 Turkish Cypriots had returned to their homes by 1970; the remainder were still displaced in the summer of 1974 when events led to the present de facto division of Cyprus. The resulting dislocation of people was massive. According to official Greek Cypriot sources, 142,000 Greek Cypriots (close to 30% of the entire Greek Cypriot community at that time) were displaced from the northern to the southern part of the island; and, according to official Turkish Cypriot sources, 45,000 Turkish Cypriots (close to 40% of the entire Turkish Cypriot community at that time) relocated from the south to the north....

it seems everyone is talking how it is suit their acceptions......

we all confused with figures and reports....to whom we can believe Greek or Turkish propaganda machines or :

UNFICYP 2 February 2001:
"UNFICYP estimates as of end 2000
IDP population in northern Cyprus: 45,000 persons
IDP population in southern Cyprus: 165,000 persons
Total IDP population: 210,000 persons"

[GreekIslandGirl]

Displacement of TCs in 1963? That was their choice with the encouragement of the TMT. Displacement of TCs in 1974? That was their choice with the encouragement of Turkey.

But, didn't 1974 rather nullify any displacement from the supposed 1963 displacement? For if a TC lived in Polis and enclaved himslef (to help the Turkish Taksim) in 1963 by living in say, Limassol TMT-run enclave-HQ; and then Turkey invaded in 1974 and now this TC went to live (in a lovely GC home) in Kyrenia, then surely they can only complain they have been displaced from Polis to Kyrenia (once only)? Surely they are moaning that their home is in Polis and not the TMT-enclave in Limassol? Are they complaining they were displaced from their chosen enclaves or their original dwelling in Polis? Is this how TCs claim they own so much land? Their original dwellings and then also the enclaves on top - as well as now the stolen GC properties in the north?

Get it? Can't have it both/all ways, turkophile.

[Piratis]

The aim of the TCs from the 1950s was partition, where they would take for themselves the north part of Cyprus and force Greek Cypriots to the south.

The inter-communal conflict that was initiated by the TCs in 1958 and the invasion of 1974 were both part of the execution of the partition plan, where the TCs would gain in the north twice as much from what they left behind. The TC minority of 18% illegally took control of the 37% of the island and this is exactly what they wanted.

On the other hand, the Greek Cypriots that have 1000s of years of history on this island have deep attachment to their villages and towns and they never wanted to leave from them. They were forced to leave at gun point by the Turkish invaders, and they were never allowed to return.

This is why the Greek Cypriots are the ones who want everybody to return to their own homes. The TCs continue to want partition and this is why there are still refugees in Cyprus.

The Turks ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of people with the aim to forcefully Turkify the north part of Cyprus. This is what is important, and not if the number of refugees is 165.000 or 200.000.

[Viewpoint]

The aim of the TCs from the 1950s was partition, where they would take for themselves the north part of Cyprus and force Greek Cypriots to the south.

The inter-communal conflict that was initiated by the TCs in 1958 and the invasion of 1974 were both part of the execution of the partition plan, where the TCs would gain in the north twice as much from what they left behind. The TC minority of 18% illegally took control of the 37% of the island and this is exactly what they wanted.

On the other hand, the Greek Cypriots that have 1000s of years of history on this island have deep attachment to their villages and towns and they never wanted to leave from them. They were forced to leave at gun point by the Turkish invaders, and they were never allowed to return.

This is why the Greek Cypriots are the ones who want everybody to return to their own homes. The TCs continue to want partition and this is why there are still refugees in Cyprus.

The Turks ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of people with the aim to forcefully Turkify the north part of Cyprus. This is what is important, and not if the number of refugees is 165.000 or 200.000.

And when did enosis start?

[halil]

Routes of Displacement and Resettlement......................

Conflict-related violence between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots first erupted in 1958 and led to mass displacements of people from several mixed villages. In late 1963, when inter-communal fighting broke out again, the displaced were largely Turkish Cypriots (25,000 according to the UN) who abandoned their villages for the security of protected enclaves. Many of their homes were looted and destroyed. In 1974, Greek Cypriots (estimated at around 160,000) fled their places in northern Cyprus to escape the advancing Turkish army. Many of the properties they left behind were also looted, and most were later given to or occupied by Turkish Cypriots who fled or migrated from the south. Greek Cypriot properties were also given to Turkish Cypriots whose homes in the north had earlier been destroyed, as well as to Turkish nationals who immigrated during this period from Turkey. In the south, properties left behind by Turkish Cypriots who moved north in 1974 (estimated at around 45,000) were allocated to Greek Cypriots, primarily refugees. In 1974, there were an estimated total of 215,000 displaced Cypriots, comprising a third of the Greek Cypriot and half of the Turkish Cypriot populations.

The term ‘routes of displacement and resettlement’ refers to historical, geographical and demographic information relating to displacement of Cypriots due to inter-communal conflict from 1958 onwards. The information is organized in terms of places affected by such movements of people. In other words, it is about villages and towns where people were displaced from or were resettled to. The 1960 boundaries and names are used for the districts, and names of villages and towns (in Greek, Turkish and English) are according to currently adopted standards.

On map, click on district name to see the list of villages and towns in that district that have been affected by conflict-related displacement since 1958....................and here is the Link for the Greek and Turkish propaganda machines of the forum to see when the Displacement started in Cyprus............I hope ADMIN WİLL NOT DELETE THIS LINK AGAIN......

http://www.prio-cyprus-displacement.net ... asp?id=245

Note from Admin: I never deleted any of your links. After receiving several complaints from members I reminded you the rule: "Do not copy-paste large amounts of text from other websites - Quote the relevant part(s) and write something on your own about the topic" rules.html

[halil]

Routes of Displacement and Resettlement......................

Conflict-related violence between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots first erupted in 1958 and led to mass displacements of people from several mixed villages. In late 1963, when inter-communal fighting broke out again, the displaced were largely Turkish Cypriots (25,000 according to the UN) who abandoned their villages for the security of protected enclaves. Many of their homes were looted and destroyed. In 1974, Greek Cypriots (estimated at around 160,000) fled their places in northern Cyprus to escape the advancing Turkish army. Many of the properties they left behind were also looted, and most were later given to or occupied by Turkish Cypriots who fled or migrated from the south. Greek Cypriot properties were also given to Turkish Cypriots whose homes in the north had earlier been destroyed, as well as to Turkish nationals who immigrated during this period from Turkey. In the south, properties left behind by Turkish Cypriots who moved north in 1974 (estimated at around 45,000) were allocated to Greek Cypriots, primarily refugees. In 1974, there were an estimated total of 215,000 displaced Cypriots, comprising a third of the Greek Cypriot and half of the Turkish Cypriot populations.

The term ‘routes of displacement and resettlement’ refers to historical, geographical and demographic information relating to displacement of Cypriots due to inter-communal conflict from 1958 onwards. The information is organized in terms of places affected by such movements of people. In other words, it is about villages and towns where people were displaced from or were resettled to. The 1960 boundaries and names are used for the districts, and names of villages and towns (in Greek, Turkish and English) are according to currently adopted standards.

On map, click on district name to see the list of villages and towns in that district that have been affected by conflict-related displacement since 1958....................and here is the Link for the Greek and Turkish propaganda machines of the forum to see when the Displacement started in Cyprus............I hope ADMIN WİLL NOT DELETE THIS LINK AGAIN......

http://www.prio-cyprus-displacement.net ... asp?id=245

Note from Admin: I never deleted any of your links. After receiving several complaints from members I reminded you the rule: "Do not copy-paste large amounts of text from other websites - Quote the relevant part(s) and write something on your own about the topic" rules.html

Complains from the members....hım...hııımmmm...i will write my comments as well next time..... i bet it will deleted again...complain will be done again from same members....they are aim is only to show only Greek and Greek Cypriots are suffered in Cyprus.....with supplying one sided information always....anything shows that truth is not the way they says....will upset them....

If it is from Greek or Turkish propaganda machines both side propaganda machines gets happy....than u are good boy !!!!

very basicly one third of the Greek Cypriots population and half of the Turkish Cypriots population suffered very heavly in Cyprus and suffering did not started in Cyprus from 1974.....

from above link we must get good lessones .....from above displacements what i understand is best solution for the Long standing Cyprus problem will be BBF solution model....which is on the table at the moment and both side leaders are negotiating since 1974......

[Sotos]

Why is this clown Halil even allowed to post here? He works for Bayrak which is the propaganda agency of the occupation regime. Some time ago I posted some very decent comments at his website http://www.brtk.net/ and they were never even approved! They use their own websites to publish 100% Turkish propaganda and not even a single word is allowed on them from us but then they want to copy / paste page after page of their propaganda in a Cypriot forum and they complaint when they are told about the rules!! I say ban all Turkish Propagandists from this forum. If they want to publish their propaganda they can do it on their own websites!

[Piratis]

Routes of Displacement and Resettlement......................

Conflict-related violence between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots first erupted in 1958 and led to mass displacements of people from several mixed villages. In late 1963, when inter-communal fighting broke out again, the displaced were largely Turkish Cypriots (25,000 according to the UN) who abandoned their villages for the security of protected enclaves. Many of their homes were looted and destroyed. In 1974, Greek Cypriots (estimated at around 160,000) fled their places in northern Cyprus to escape the advancing Turkish army. Many of the properties they left behind were also looted, and most were later given to or occupied by Turkish Cypriots who fled or migrated from the south. Greek Cypriot properties were also given to Turkish Cypriots whose homes in the north had earlier been destroyed, as well as to Turkish nationals who immigrated during this period from Turkey. In the south, properties left behind by Turkish Cypriots who moved north in 1974 (estimated at around 45,000) were allocated to Greek Cypriots, primarily refugees. In 1974, there were an estimated total of 215,000 displaced Cypriots, comprising a third of the Greek Cypriot and half of the Turkish Cypriot populations.

The term ‘routes of displacement and resettlement’ refers to historical, geographical and demographic information relating to displacement of Cypriots due to inter-communal conflict from 1958 onwards. The information is organized in terms of places affected by such movements of people. In other words, it is about villages and towns where people were displaced from or were resettled to. The 1960 boundaries and names are used for the districts, and names of villages and towns (in Greek, Turkish and English) are according to currently adopted standards.

On map, click on district name to see the list of villages and towns in that district that have been affected by conflict-related displacement since 1958.

Halil, partition was the aim of the TCs since the 50s. Do you object to this fact?

How would partition be achieved when GCs were the majority in all parts of the island? Wasn't it always your plan to ethnically cleanse GCs from half of Cyprus then have all TCs move to this part so the communities will be forcefully separated and then you could have a "Turkish State" in Cyprus? Isn't this your aim even today?

Your PRIO article above mentions 1958 but doesn't give any details. It doesn't say that the conflict and the displacement started when the TCs started pushing for partition, committed massacres against GCs and burned down shops and homes of innocent civilians. The conflict was created by the TCs in order to use it as an excuse for segregation and eventual partition.
More details here: cyprus30000.html

Also, what your article doesn't mention is that most of those TCs who left their homes in 1963 returned to their homes by 1968. Even though the TCs choose to leave from their own homes in order to pursue their aim of partition, their homes were not claimed by GCs and the TCs were free to return to them, and most of them did.

It is the GCs who were forced against their will to leave from their homes and they were not allowed to return to them since then. Our homes and properties were given to Turkish Settlers and other foreigners by issuing to them fake title deeds.

So don't try to present yourselves as victims of displacement. You moved because you wanted to move. And today you still insist on having a "Turkish State" on the north part of Cyprus something that can be achieved only by means of ethnic cleansing. Without ethnic cleansing the GCs would be the majority of all parts of Cyprus and therefore no "Turkish State" would be possible.

So Halil is time for you to admit that like most TCs you are an ethnic cleansing supporter, and stop trying to present yourselves as the victims because you moved from one part of Cyprus to another when this was part of your own aim of partition.