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by **tsukoui** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:38 pm

People are still dreaming... it is as if they want partition to last for ever... we already have two communities living under partition... the question is how to bring them together... a rotating presidency need not be permanent... indeed it may lead to something better... full integration... this is because a rotating presidency ensures that the Greek Cypriot president has to appeal to the Turkish Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriot president has to appeal to the Greek Cypriots... thus unifying the discourse... to those who say that this is a compromise with segregation... wake up!... we are already segregated... this can only bring us together... to the point where maybe we will then chose to drop the rotating presidency in favor of one person one vote... but we are not going to have one person one vote immediately... whilst the existing constitution promotes bickering... the rotating presidency forces us together... I know some people will see this as an injustice... the Turks are after all the colonisers... they would rather that we succeed like the Africans in South Africa... or even Zimbabwe... but maybe one might think what a rotating presidency in South Africa might have done for the country... it would have been a grave injustice against the indigenous Africans... just as a rotating presidency is an injustice against Greek Cypriots... but think about it... South Africa might be even further ahead than it is now... with "Whites" who appeal to "Blacks" and "Blacks" who appeal to "Whites" running the show... South Africa is still deeply segregated after all... but who knows... that is for the South Africans to decide... but in Cyprus the opposition to a rotating presidency stems from an obvious right-wing fear that only the left could appeal to both sides so we will be stuck with a communist president, be s/he Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot... this is the real fear... and one we must overcome...

by **humanist** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:01 am

Re tsukoui .... good point but as long as Cypriots of either persuasion continue on supporting the Greek/ Turkish ideology Cyprus will for ever have issues prevalent today.

In my opinion the only way forward is for all Cypriots to take on the Cypriot identity and for each political party in the Free area to invite their counterpart party in the occupied area to join together as a Cypriot party

by **Viewpoint** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:16 am

humanist wrote:Re tsukoui .... good point but as long as Cypriots of either persuasion continue on supporting the Greek/ Turkish ideology Cyprus will for ever have issues prevalent today.

In my opinion the only way forward is for all Cypriots to take on the Cypriot identity and for each political party in the Free area to invite their counterpart party in the occupied area to join together as a Cypriot party

So as long as it gives the Gcs everything they want want.

by **tsukoui** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:23 am

Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:Re tsukoui .... good point but as long as Cypriots of either persuasion continue on supporting the Greek/ Turkish ideology Cyprus will for ever have issues prevalent today.

In my opinion the only way forward is for all Cypriots to take on the Cypriot identity and for each political party in the Free area to invite their counterpart party in the occupied area to join together as a Cypriot party

So as long as it gives the Gcs everything they want want.

Merhaba VP

Eğer Şeyh Nazım ne düşünüyorsunuz?

by **Get Real!** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:49 am

tsukoui wrote:People are still dreaming... it is as if they want partition to last for ever... we already have two communities living under partition... the question is how to bring them together... a rotating presidency need not be permanent... indeed it may lead to something better... full integration... this is because a rotating presidency ensures that the Greek Cypriot president has to appeal to the Turkish Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriot president has to appeal to the Greek Cypriots... thus unifying the discourse... to those who say that this is a compromise with segregation... wake up!... we are already segregated... this can only bring us together... to the point where maybe we will then chose to drop the rotating presidency in favor of one person one vote... but we are not going to have one person one vote immediately... whilst the existing constitution promotes bickering... the rotating presidency forces us together... I know some people will see this as an injustice... the Turks are after all the colonisers... they would rather that we succeed like the Africans in South Africa... or even Zimbabwe... but maybe one might think what a rotating presidency in South Africa might have done for the country... it would have been a grave injustice against the indigenous Africans... just as a rotating presidency is an injustice against Greek Cypriots... but think about it... South Africa might be even further ahead than it is now... with "Whites" who appeal to "Blacks" and "Blacks" who appeal to "Whites" running the show... South Africa is still deeply segregated after all... but who knows... that is for the South Africans to decide... but in Cyprus the opposition to a rotating presidency stems from an obvious right-wing fear that only the left could appeal to both sides so we will be stuck with a communist president, be s/he Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot... this is the real fear... and one we must overcome...

If you can figure out Maths at doctoral level how come you can’t figure out simple paragraphing?

by **tsukoui** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:28 am

Get Real! wrote:
tsukoui wrote:People are still dreaming... it is as if they want partition to last for ever... we already have two communities living under partition... the question is how to bring them together... a rotating presidency need not be permanent... indeed it may lead to something better... full integration... this is because a rotating presidency ensures that the Greek Cypriot president has to appeal to the Turkish Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriot president has to appeal to the Greek Cypriots... thus unifying the discourse... to those who say that this is a compromise with segregation... wake up!... we are already segregated... this can only bring us together... to the point where maybe we will then chose to drop the rotating presidency in favor of one person one vote... but we are not going to have one person one vote immediately... whilst the existing constitution promotes bickering... the rotating presidency forces us together... I know some people will see this as an injustice... the Turks are after all the colonisers... they would rather that we succeed like the Africans in South Africa... or even Zimbabwe... but maybe one might think what a rotating presidency in South Africa might have done for the country... it would have been a grave injustice against the indigenous Africans... just as a rotating presidency is an injustice against Greek Cypriots... but think about it... South Africa might be even further ahead than it is now... with "Whites" who appeal to "Blacks" and "Blacks" who appeal to "Whites" running the show... South Africa is still deeply segregated after all... but who knows... that is for the South Africans to decide... but in Cyprus the opposition to a rotating presidency stems from an obvious right-wing fear that only the left could appeal to both sides so we will be stuck with a communist president, be s/he Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot... this is the real fear... and one we must overcome...

If you can figure out Maths at doctoral level how come you can’t figure out simple paragraphing?

And the math class is tough!... especially if you're smoking Bible pages

by **B25** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:03 am

tsukoui wrote:People are still dreaming... it is as if they want partition to last for ever... we already have two communities living under partition... the question is how to bring them together... a rotating presidency need not be permanent... indeed it may lead to something better... full integration... this is because a rotating presidency ensures that the Greek Cypriot president has to appeal to the Turkish Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriot president has to appeal to the Greek Cypriots... thus unifying the discourse... to those who say that this is a compromise with segregation... wake up!... we are already segregated... this can only bring us together... to the point where maybe we will then chose to drop the rotating presidency in favor of one person one vote... but we are not going to have one person one vote immediately... whilst the existing constitution promotes bickering... the rotating presidency forces us together... I know some people will see this as an injustice... the Turks are after all the colonisers... they would rather that we succeed like the Africans in South Africa... or even Zimbabwe... but maybe one might think what a rotating presidency in South Africa might have done for the country... it would have been a grave injustice against the indigenous Africans... just as a rotating presidency is an injustice against Greek Cypriots... but think about it... South Africa might be even further ahead than it is now... with "Whites" who appeal to "Blacks" and "Blacks" who appeal to "Whites" running the show... South Africa is still deeply segregated after all... but who knows... that is for the South Africans to decide... but in Cyprus the opposition to a rotating presidency stems from an obvious right-wing fear that only the left could appeal to both sides so we will be stuck with a communist president, be s/he Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot... this is the real fear... and one we must overcome...

I'll go with that as long as they have a rotating premiership in the uk between Englsh , Scotish, and Welsh members without voting.
Seems only normal afterall a? Pelo plasma.

by **wyoming cowboy** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:55 am

humanist wrote:Re tsukoui .... good point but as long as Cypriots of either persuasion continue on supporting the Greek/ Turkish ideology Cyprus will for ever have issues prevalent today.

In my opinion the only way forward is for all Cypriots to take on the Cypriot identity and for each political party in the Free area to invite their counterpart party in the occupied area to join together as a Cypriot party

Yugoslavia had many ethnic groups, serbs, bosnians, croats... and all differing religions, orthodox, muslim and catholic...for many years they were all forced to call each other Yugoslavian under the communist dictator Tito. When communism fell no more then a spark ignited a long war among these groups, which goes to show that artificial "tags" do not cure anything but could in the long run make things worse then they were.

by **Piratis** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:18 am

to those who say that this is a compromise with segregation... wake up!... we are already segregated... this can only bring us together... to the point where maybe we will then chose to drop the rotating presidency in favor of one person one vote

You should also wake up and realize that once a group of people gains something they are not willing to abandon it voluntarily no matter how unfair it is.

If Rotating Presidency was the only compromise we had to make then we might have taken the risk. But if Rotating Presidency is part of a "solution" where Cyprus will be officially divided into Greek and Turkish parts, then why even consider it? Now we have partition but it is an illegal one and with this de facto partition we have the 100% control of the only recognized state in Cyprus. Why would we change this de facto partition into a de-jure partition, where not only the north part of Cyprus would be officially Turkified but we would also lose 50% of the rule of our island? (and if that was not bad enough, the other 50% will not even go to the TCs. It will go to Turkey which has always been the puppeteer of the TC leadership)