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[supporttheunderdog]

What could possibly be the attraction in moving to a small hovel, which they will have to work to repair, in a place they will no longer be familiar with? In return, asked to give up something bigger and more spacious with which they are now comfortable?

I'm sorry humanist, but being a realist I don't think appealing to their sense of loyalty, self-worth or morality is going to do it now, since separation has not pricked their consciousness all this time.

There's only one way we are going to extract them from their comfort zones and that is with force. When the time is right.

the argument cuits both ways about Greek Cypriots forced out too.

Right of return of property ofall Cypriots whether they are Kypreos or Kibrilisi (subject to certain very limited exceptions) must be a part of a lasting just settlement.

[B25]

Does the RoC consider TC's who lived in the now current Free area of Cyprus, but moved to the now occupied area after the 1974 events as refugees?

Would these people be entitled to government grants to build a house on their land in the Free area should they choose to return?

You are a complete f idiot.
First off, if the have land in the free areas and want to build how does hat make them f refugees you twit.
Sometimes you talk. Load of bollocks honestly.
Secondly, they are free to go either side to reside unlike the GC counterparts.
F me why you are feeling sorry for these criminals i never know. Now stop posting pro turkish shit and worry more about your compatriots gamoto.

[GreekIslandGirl]

What could possibly be the attraction in moving to a small hovel, which they will have to work to repair, in a place they will no longer be familiar with? In return, asked to give up something bigger and more spacious with which they are now comfortable?

I'm sorry humanist, but being a realist I don't think appealing to their sense of loyalty, self-worth or morality is going to do it now, since separation has not pricked their consciousness all this time.

There's only one way we are going to extract them from their comfort zones and that is with force. When the time is right.

the argument cuits both ways about Greek Cypriots forced out too.

Right of return of property ofall Cypriots whether they are Kypreos or Kibrilisi (subject to certain very limited exceptions) must be a part of a lasting just settlement.

How does it cut both ways? The GCs were not only forced out by the Turks (whereas the TCs were NOT forced out by the GCs), but to top it all the TCs have also been free to come and go as they wish, to live in their homes, to take care of them if they want and to use all the facilities which the RoC can offer. Some did in fact return and live among GCs. Some seem to still use their old homes as 'holiday homes'. The TCs which have not returned are unlikely to do so now because clearly they are the ones which have benefited the most from the extra properties they have acquired. They have spoken with their feet which are firmly planted with the Turks. So they are not likely to give up these free, usually larger, properties easily, or they would have done so by now, as I said. Unfortunately, the GCs had far better homes in the occupied areas than they have had to make do with as refugees. They have also been denied access to their homes and cannot choose to go back now. I don't know of any GC refugees and their relatives who would not have their homes back given a free choice. The GCs are not in any 'comfort zone' with their enforced extraction from their homes of many centuries. They may have rebuilt from scratch, but that just proves that the GCs are industrious and would improve the north once more as soon as they are given a chance. The TCs have acquired too much too easily and have no substance.

It's quite clear. History has taught us freedom is not handed to us on a plate.

[repulsewarrior]

...i think that the events of '63 cannot be so easily dismissed. the displaced as a whole deserve recognition and respect. if there is Goodwill this must be demonstrated by all Cypriots to each other; in that sense it does cut both ways.

[GreekIslandGirl]

1963 is not dismissed because it was part of the strategy of getting to 1974!

- Those that help the Turks in their enforced, racist, apartheid against Greek Cypriots do not deserve any respect.

(N.B. There is no apartheid against TCs. They are free to come and go.)

[repulsewarrior]

...dearest OP, i have no idea how your comments relate to mine.

Chauvinism and Nationalism are our enemies, don't you think?

...neither a Greek issue or Turk, the Ignorance we have all been victims to, don't you think?

[GreekIslandGirl]

My arguments can be detached from "Nationalism" or "Turkishness" or whatever isms and nessess!

They are about the rule of law, moral and legal, which bind civilization. Full stop!

[Viewpoint]

When did the Gcs start to give back our properties? isnt there a 6 month clause and years of appeals in GC courts in Greek which we dont understand and paying of thousands to Euro to GC lawyers who just delay the matter even further.

[repulsewarrior]

...rule of law?

neither "Greeks" nor "Turks" have much interest in Humanity, Universal Principals come second to their aims. i am a Cypriot, and although i am Greek i propose that Cyprus should be Free. it is Mankind who gave us this opportunity, (and this responsibility) to change the way the world defines the words Nation and State.

i do not support the aims of the "Turks", i respect my neighbours, and the life which we were robbed of, i fight for this Freedom, not the interest of "Greeks", or their Proxy War because they are no different to their counterpart, if you are Greek (and Cypriot), you too can see the merit in what i say.

[Viewpoint]

Does that mean I can just go and take my grandmothers house back what do I do with the GCs that live in it?