Viewpoint wrote:Kikapu wrote:Lordo wrote:If what you say is correct, it failed. Turkey did not intervene in 1963/64.
If you look at the activities on the day of the murders, the place was awash with eoka. they also took 150 in this area to kykko school. at the same time these people killed countless people within a few miles of this scene. I beg to differ but circumstantial evidence says eoka did it. Their hearts were full of hatred. It really is not that difficult to come to a conclusion.
But I agree with you we will never know unless somebody confesses.
No, actually it did NOT fail, because Turkey did try to come in 1963/64, but were denied by the Americans. But it was not all lost, because the other objectives of the TMT was to have all the TCs in enclaves to bring them all to the northern part of Cyprus for the eventual partition. Naturally, most TCs did not want to leave their homes and properties in the southern part of Cyprus to become refugees in the enclaves, but images of murdered kids and their mother in a bathtub with blood everywhere, a crime committed by "EOKA" would make them think twice staying behind to be at the mercy of the EOKA.
Just one more thing. What makes you think the TMT did not commit the murders after EOKA came and went through the area. Surely the EOKA did not kill everyone in that area. Rather than believing the story that the TMT found the bodies already murdered, who is to say they did not commit the murders themselves for the reasons I gave above? Just like you, I too believed most of my life that the EOKA murdered these people, because after we were released from the Kykkos school, I remember very cleary hearing about the murderes in the bathtub committed by the GCs, therefore it is not unusual to hold onto those beliefs. But how would we know anything differently if one does not seek to find the truth, even if it means the murders could have been done by their own people. Surely this was not the first time. Unless you are a objective free thinker, you will always believe that the EOKA did the murders, and maybe they did, but the TMT also had plenty of reasons for doing the killings themselves.
The scene of the bathtub murders still used for the military training in the north, is it not? I'm sure it's not for having picnic there, but in brainwashing the youth to build hate between the two sides in order to retain the partition. So the propaganda still continues my friend, so the question still remains, as to who is still benefiting from this crime till today. Did the TMT just got lucky by finding these murdered bodies left behind by the EOKA, or did they create their own luck by murdering this family themselves?
You cannot make an omelette without breaking few eggs first!
Can we have your views of the pictures of Soloman being displayed at crossing points, is this not propaganda or brainwashing? but the pictures of these innocent children in a bath or on the floor are? You seem to be very forgiving when it comes to the eoka terrorists and very clearly want to lay blame at the door of TMT, you really need some balance in your arguments as your obvious hatred of anything Turkish erases any ounce of credibility in your posts. Your agenda has been exposed you were a traitor back then and you still are today. You take the murder of innocent TC children twist it to such a degree that you would have us believe that it was Denktaş that pulled the trigger and you were a witness. You must have experienced a great deal of trauma at the hands of the TCs or Turks to have effceted your mentality to his degree...you are sick and need help immediately.
It's so easy to debate with twits like you. No wonder you lose every debate you come up against me. It's not so much that I'm that good, but rather twits like you are so bad.
Lets rip your arguments apart....again.
Can we have your views of the pictures of Soloman being displayed at crossing points, is this not propaganda or brainwashing?
NO, it is not the same. He was murdered in broad daylight and on camera, therefore there is no mystery who murderd him. Display of pictures of him is a remembrance of the event and how the guilty not been brought to justice, protected by those in the north.
but the pictures of these innocent children in a bath or on the floor are?
We don't have conclusive evidence who murdered these children and their mother. One thing we do know, is that the bathtub scene was staged to gain maximum propagande which till today it goes on, be it be for military training to brainwash the recruits or by twits like you and Lordo.
You seem to be very forgiving when it comes to the eoka terrorists and very clearly want to lay blame at the door of TMT
Show me where I have dismissed anything what the EOKA "B" have done. Well, you can't, so don't even bother. But we know for sure that the TMT staged the bathtub scene, and if they can do that for propaganda purposes, who is to say they did not also murder these victims. I'm ONLY asking questions and not accusing anyone. You and Lordo on the other hand make accusations about the EOKA but defend TMT when you don't know shit as to who murdered this family. I keep an open mind whereas you two are closed minded and do not want to know the truth, just because the murderes might be from your own people.
you really need some balance in your arguments as your obvious hatred of anything Turkish erases any ounce of credibility in your posts.
You worry about your credibility in your arguments for someone who says" I'm a partitionist at heart" and don't worry about others. Naturally you would defend the TMT. I have more credibility on my little finger than you will ever have in your whole morally corrupt body.
Your agenda has been exposed you were a traitor back then and you still are today.
Only those who betray their Cypriotism are traitors, such as people like you who is "I'm a partitionist at heart"! What if the TMT thought this murdered family were traitors to their cause of partition. Would that not justify murdering them? Surely for someone like you who is a "I'm a partitionist at heart", the family deserved it and anything to further the partitionist cause should be done, even murder, which the end would justify the means.
You take the murder of innocent TC children twist it to such a degree that you would have us believe that it was Denktaş that pulled the trigger and you were a witness.
It was the other twit, Lordo, who opened this thread and brought the subject up. Of course, when challenged about the incident, he tried to hide from the truth, so I had no choice but to wipe the flood off with him, and now with you. Denktash had everything to gain from this propaganda bathtub staged pictures of the murdered family and he did. Show me where I said he did the killings. You can't, so don't even bother.
You must have experienced a great deal of trauma at the hands of the TCs or Turks to have effceted your mentality to his degree...you are sick and need help immediately.
Not at all. I just don't like Racists, Fascist, Liars and Twits who believe everything they are told by their own people and are not able to think for themselves, or even question what they say. If you want to be sheep, then don't be too surprised when you are taken to the slaughter house, which is where you and Lordo have been taken to once again.
