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[Kikapu]

How am I changing the subject.
150 EOKA men ransacked Kumsal that night.
They also killed 21 civilians in Ayos Vasilios
Another 21 patients killed in Hospital.
150 Kumsalites were taken prisoner
550 Omorpidites also taken prioser

all within a few miles of each other. No TMT in the region. TMT managaed to get in there after the murders to save the people that survived that night. And here you are blaming the TMT for their actions. On the other hand one of your mates blames the father even though he was not even there.

How many children has TMT killed? And how many children EOKA killed?
How can any human pick up a sick person from his hospital bed and kill them?
Are you serious that there is no chance EOKA killed these people?

You are changing the subject by not answering my question, which was, were these murdered bodies placed in the bathtub after the fact and pictures taken for propaganda purposes??

Where did I say who was responsible for the killings?

Don't be like VP, where he constantly doesn't fully comprehend the written English Language and responds with irrelevant posts.

How can you be so sure what you wrote are the facts. Are you just going by TMT's version of events or what?

Lets get back to the 3 things that is needed to commit a murder and solving a murder.

1. Motive
2. Opportunity
3. Means

I say both sides had all three, so without a confession, it is going to be very hard to prove who did the murders, EXCEPT, it would lean a little towards those who used the dead bodies to stage the bathtub scene for propaganda purpose, which till today, it is used as such, which is why you brought it up again, isn't it? You talk about how can any human being can take a sick person from their hospital bed and kill them, which I agree with you, but at the same time, you say nothing about the TMT using these dead bodies as a propaganda tool. You are even yet to admit the bodies were placed in the bathtub from else where where they were murdered. Who is to say they were not murdered by the TMT somewhere away from the house and were brought back to the house afterwards and placed them in the bathtub. Don't you think that is also a possibility? Anyone who can use dead bodies of children and their mother to gain propaganda mileage from these lifeless bodies are not only sick, but capable of killing them also. I would say that about anyone if they did what the TMT did, wouldn't you? But there's no proof, so someone got away with murder.

So, having stated that both sided had the opportunity, the means and the motive to murder these people, it was the TMT who till today continues to benefit from their deaths. Was that just "good luck" on their part to have come across these murdered people in pool of blood in their home and placed them in the bathtub for shock effect, or was it their long term strategy all along to murder them to get the propaganda mileage they have gotten from it and are still getting from it, specially with people like you doing their leg work for them by posting it on the CF one more time. What is it, about a Dozen times now? I don't know the answer and neither do you or anyone else, other than the ones who were directly involved, and they are not talking as far as I know!

[Lordo]

If what you say is correct, it failed. Turkey did not intervene in 1963/64.

If you look at the activities on the day of the murders, the place was awash with eoka. they also took 150 in this area to kykko school. at the same time these people killed countless people within a few miles of this scene. I beg to differ but circumstantial evidence says eoka did it. Their hearts were full of hatred. It really is not that difficult to come to a conclusion.

But I agree with you we will never know unless somebody confesses.

[Kikapu]

If what you say is correct, it failed. Turkey did not intervene in 1963/64.

If you look at the activities on the day of the murders, the place was awash with eoka. they also took 150 in this area to kykko school. at the same time these people killed countless people within a few miles of this scene. I beg to differ but circumstantial evidence says eoka did it. Their hearts were full of hatred. It really is not that difficult to come to a conclusion.

But I agree with you we will never know unless somebody confesses.

No, actually it did NOT fail, because Turkey did try to come in 1963/64, but were denied by the Americans. But it was not all lost, because the other objectives of the TMT was to have all the TCs in enclaves to bring them all to the northern part of Cyprus for the eventual partition. Naturally, most TCs did not want to leave their homes and properties in the southern part of Cyprus to become refugees in the enclaves, but images of murdered kids and their mother in a bathtub with blood everywhere, a crime committed by "EOKA" would make them think twice staying behind to be at the mercy of the EOKA.

Just one more thing. What makes you think the TMT did not commit the murders after EOKA came and went through the area. Surely the EOKA did not kill everyone in that area. Rather than believing the story that the TMT found the bodies already murdered, who is to say they did not commit the murders themselves for the reasons I gave above? Just like you, I too believed most of my life that the EOKA murdered these people, because after we were released from the Kykkos school, I remember very cleary hearing about the murderes in the bathtub committed by the GCs, therefore it is not unusual to hold onto those beliefs. But how would we know anything differently if one does not seek to find the truth, even if it means the murders could have been done by their own people. Surely this was not the first time. Unless you are a objective free thinker, you will always believe that the EOKA did the murders, and maybe they did, but the TMT also had plenty of reasons for doing the killings themselves.

The scene of the bathtub murders still used for the military training in the north, is it not? I'm sure it's not for having picnic there, but in brainwashing the youth to build hate between the two sides in order to retain the partition. So the propaganda still continues my friend, so the question still remains, as to who is still benefiting from this crime till today. Did the TMT just got lucky by finding these murdered bodies left behind by the EOKA, or did they create their own luck by murdering this family themselves?

You cannot make an omelette without breaking few eggs first!

[Viewpoint]

If what you say is correct, it failed. Turkey did not intervene in 1963/64.

If you look at the activities on the day of the murders, the place was awash with eoka. they also took 150 in this area to kykko school. at the same time these people killed countless people within a few miles of this scene. I beg to differ but circumstantial evidence says eoka did it. Their hearts were full of hatred. It really is not that difficult to come to a conclusion.

But I agree with you we will never know unless somebody confesses.

No, actually it did NOT fail, because Turkey did try to come in 1963/64, but were denied by the Americans. But it was not all lost, because the other objectives of the TMT was to have all the TCs in enclaves to bring them all to the northern part of Cyprus for the eventual partition. Naturally, most TCs did not want to leave their homes and properties in the southern part of Cyprus to become refugees in the enclaves, but images of murdered kids and their mother in a bathtub with blood everywhere, a crime committed by "EOKA" would make them think twice staying behind to be at the mercy of the EOKA.

Just one more thing. What makes you think the TMT did not commit the murders after EOKA came and went through the area. Surely the EOKA did not kill everyone in that area. Rather than believing the story that the TMT found the bodies already murdered, who is to say they did not commit the murders themselves for the reasons I gave above? Just like you, I too believed most of my life that the EOKA murdered these people, because after we were released from the Kykkos school, I remember very cleary hearing about the murderes in the bathtub committed by the GCs, therefore it is not unusual to hold onto those beliefs. But how would we know anything differently if one does not seek to find the truth, even if it means the murders could have been done by their own people. Surely this was not the first time. Unless you are a objective free thinker, you will always believe that the EOKA did the murders, and maybe they did, but the TMT also had plenty of reasons for doing the killings themselves.

The scene of the bathtub murders still used for the military training in the north, is it not? I'm sure it's not for having picnic there, but in brainwashing the youth to build hate between the two sides in order to retain the partition. So the propaganda still continues my friend, so the question still remains, as to who is still benefiting from this crime till today. Did the TMT just got lucky by finding these murdered bodies left behind by the EOKA, or did they create their own luck by murdering this family themselves?

You cannot make an omelette without breaking few eggs first!

Can we have your views of the pictures of Soloman being displayed at crossing points, is this not propaganda or brainwashing? but the pictures of these innocent children in a bath or on the floor are? You seem to be very forgiving when it comes to the eoka terrorists and very clearly want to lay blame at the door of TMT, you really need some balance in your arguments as your obvious hatred of anything Turkish erases any ounce of credibility in your posts. Your agenda has been exposed you were a traitor back then and you still are today. You take the murder of innocent TC children twist it to such a degree that you would have us believe that it was Denktaş that pulled the trigger and you were a witness. You must have experienced a great deal of trauma at the hands of the TCs or Turks to have effceted your mentality to his degree...you are sick and need help immediately.

[Lordo]

If what you say is correct, it failed. Turkey did not intervene in 1963/64.

If you look at the activities on the day of the murders, the place was awash with eoka. they also took 150 in this area to kykko school. at the same time these people killed countless people within a few miles of this scene. I beg to differ but circumstantial evidence says eoka did it. Their hearts were full of hatred. It really is not that difficult to come to a conclusion.

But I agree with you we will never know unless somebody confesses.

No, actually it did NOT fail, because Turkey did try to come in 1963/64, but were denied by the Americans. But it was not all lost, because the other objectives of the TMT was to have all the TCs in enclaves to bring them all to the northern part of Cyprus for the eventual partition. Naturally, most TCs did not want to leave their homes and properties in the southern part of Cyprus to become refugees in the enclaves, but images of murdered kids and their mother in a bathtub with blood everywhere, a crime committed by "EOKA" would make them think twice staying behind to be at the mercy of the EOKA.

Just one more thing. What makes you think the TMT did not commit the murders after EOKA came and went through the area. Surely the EOKA did not kill everyone in that area. Rather than believing the story that the TMT found the bodies already murdered, who is to say they did not commit the murders themselves for the reasons I gave above? Just like you, I too believed most of my life that the EOKA murdered these people, because after we were released from the Kykkos school, I remember very cleary hearing about the murderes in the bathtub committed by the GCs, therefore it is not unusual to hold onto those beliefs. But how would we know anything differently if one does not seek to find the truth, even if it means the murders could have been done by their own people. Surely this was not the first time. Unless you are a objective free thinker, you will always believe that the EOKA did the murders, and maybe they did, but the TMT also had plenty of reasons for doing the killings themselves.

The scene of the bathtub murders still used for the military training in the north, is it not? I'm sure it's not for having picnic there, but in brainwashing the youth to build hate between the two sides in order to retain the partition. So the propaganda still continues my friend, so the question still remains, as to who is still benefiting from this crime till today. Did the TMT just got lucky by finding these murdered bodies left behind by the EOKA, or did they create their own luck by murdering this family themselves?

You cannot make an omelette without breaking few eggs first!

you will find that there is a lot less hatred in the turkish cypriot youth then there is in the greek cypriot youth. you can see it clearly here on this forum. you can talk all you like about tmt. the real reason tcs did not leave the enclaves was becasue of fear of eoka. nothing to do with the pictures. many people i knew lost relatives to eoka. my cousin was killed by eoka. you really need to wake up the what the 60s were really like and stop this fascist greek cypriot propaganda. you are not fooling anybody except your fascist friends.

[Kikapu]

If what you say is correct, it failed. Turkey did not intervene in 1963/64.

If you look at the activities on the day of the murders, the place was awash with eoka. they also took 150 in this area to kykko school. at the same time these people killed countless people within a few miles of this scene. I beg to differ but circumstantial evidence says eoka did it. Their hearts were full of hatred. It really is not that difficult to come to a conclusion.

But I agree with you we will never know unless somebody confesses.

No, actually it did NOT fail, because Turkey did try to come in 1963/64, but were denied by the Americans. But it was not all lost, because the other objectives of the TMT was to have all the TCs in enclaves to bring them all to the northern part of Cyprus for the eventual partition. Naturally, most TCs did not want to leave their homes and properties in the southern part of Cyprus to become refugees in the enclaves, but images of murdered kids and their mother in a bathtub with blood everywhere, a crime committed by "EOKA" would make them think twice staying behind to be at the mercy of the EOKA.

Just one more thing. What makes you think the TMT did not commit the murders after EOKA came and went through the area. Surely the EOKA did not kill everyone in that area. Rather than believing the story that the TMT found the bodies already murdered, who is to say they did not commit the murders themselves for the reasons I gave above? Just like you, I too believed most of my life that the EOKA murdered these people, because after we were released from the Kykkos school, I remember very cleary hearing about the murderes in the bathtub committed by the GCs, therefore it is not unusual to hold onto those beliefs. But how would we know anything differently if one does not seek to find the truth, even if it means the murders could have been done by their own people. Surely this was not the first time. Unless you are a objective free thinker, you will always believe that the EOKA did the murders, and maybe they did, but the TMT also had plenty of reasons for doing the killings themselves.

The scene of the bathtub murders still used for the military training in the north, is it not? I'm sure it's not for having picnic there, but in brainwashing the youth to build hate between the two sides in order to retain the partition. So the propaganda still continues my friend, so the question still remains, as to who is still benefiting from this crime till today. Did the TMT just got lucky by finding these murdered bodies left behind by the EOKA, or did they create their own luck by murdering this family themselves?

You cannot make an omelette without breaking few eggs first!

you will find that there is a lot less hatred in the turkish cypriot youth then there is in the greek cypriot youth. you can see it clearly here on this forum. you can talk all you like about tmt. the real reason tcs did not leave the enclaves was becasue of fear of eoka. nothing to do with the pictures. many people i knew lost relatives to eoka. my cousin was killed by eoka. you really need to wake up the what the 60s were really like and stop this fascist greek cypriot propaganda. you are not fooling anybody except your fascist friends.

Thank you for telling us that you are not an objective free thinker!

I have wasted enough time on you already.

Continue keeping the blinders on. They suit you!

[Lordo]

If what you say is correct, it failed. Turkey did not intervene in 1963/64.

If you look at the activities on the day of the murders, the place was awash with eoka. they also took 150 in this area to kykko school. at the same time these people killed countless people within a few miles of this scene. I beg to differ but circumstantial evidence says eoka did it. Their hearts were full of hatred. It really is not that difficult to come to a conclusion.

But I agree with you we will never know unless somebody confesses.

No, actually it did NOT fail, because Turkey did try to come in 1963/64, but were denied by the Americans. But it was not all lost, because the other objectives of the TMT was to have all the TCs in enclaves to bring them all to the northern part of Cyprus for the eventual partition. Naturally, most TCs did not want to leave their homes and properties in the southern part of Cyprus to become refugees in the enclaves, but images of murdered kids and their mother in a bathtub with blood everywhere, a crime committed by "EOKA" would make them think twice staying behind to be at the mercy of the EOKA.

Just one more thing. What makes you think the TMT did not commit the murders after EOKA came and went through the area. Surely the EOKA did not kill everyone in that area. Rather than believing the story that the TMT found the bodies already murdered, who is to say they did not commit the murders themselves for the reasons I gave above? Just like you, I too believed most of my life that the EOKA murdered these people, because after we were released from the Kykkos school, I remember very cleary hearing about the murderes in the bathtub committed by the GCs, therefore it is not unusual to hold onto those beliefs. But how would we know anything differently if one does not seek to find the truth, even if it means the murders could have been done by their own people. Surely this was not the first time. Unless you are a objective free thinker, you will always believe that the EOKA did the murders, and maybe they did, but the TMT also had plenty of reasons for doing the killings themselves.

The scene of the bathtub murders still used for the military training in the north, is it not? I'm sure it's not for having picnic there, but in brainwashing the youth to build hate between the two sides in order to retain the partition. So the propaganda still continues my friend, so the question still remains, as to who is still benefiting from this crime till today. Did the TMT just got lucky by finding these murdered bodies left behind by the EOKA, or did they create their own luck by murdering this family themselves?

You cannot make an omelette without breaking few eggs first!

you will find that there is a lot less hatred in the turkish cypriot youth then there is in the greek cypriot youth. you can see it clearly here on this forum. you can talk all you like about tmt. the real reason tcs did not leave the enclaves was becasue of fear of eoka. nothing to do with the pictures. many people i knew lost relatives to eoka. my cousin was killed by eoka. you really need to wake up the what the 60s were really like and stop this fascist greek cypriot propaganda. you are not fooling anybody except your fascist friends.

Thank you for telling us that you are not an objective free thinker!

I have wasted enough time on you already.

Continue keeping the blinders on. They suit you!

if i did not live it perhaps you can fool me but there is nothing like real life experience.

[Viewpoint]

Lord you are obviously overlooking the fact that Kikapoo is God and he knows everything you actually living through and having first hand experience means nothing to Kikapoo and his bum lickers.

[Lordo]

Lord you are obviously overlooking the fact that Kikapoo is God and he knows everything you actually living through and having first hand experience means nothing to Kikapoo and his bum lickers.

No VP you must not take the piss with him. He may well have a point.

so when the police chief's son in famagusta got killed and he had 14 tcs killed from mr tosun's bus outside famagusta, i suppose there is a chance that the tcs did not take any note of these activities but remembered the children in the bath to stay in the enclaves.

we must not mock the afflicted. if it makes him happier believing what he says and he can ignore the memories of those who lived the cyprus problem, it is his god given right to do so.

[B25]

Lord you are obviously overlooking the fact that Kikapoo is God and he knows everything you actually living through and having first hand experience means nothing to Kikapoo and his bum lickers.

No VP you must not take the piss with him. He may well have a point.

so when the police chief's son in famagusta got killed and he had 14 tcs killed from mr tosun's bus outside famagusta, i suppose there is a chance that the tcs did not take any note of these activities but remembered the children in the bath to stay in the enclaves.

we must not mock the afflicted. if it makes him happier believing what he says and he can ignore the memories of those who lived the cyprus problem, it is his god given right to do so.

Here you arsewipe, why not mention these as well. You piece of turkish shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lkbOnoBz3w