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[bg_turk]

From this forum most of us know the reasons behind the Greek no to the plan very well. But I have actually never thought of why most Turkish Cypriots accepted the plan. So I want to ask TCs who voted for the plan, to explain what was the main reason behind their positive vote. I have a feeling it had nothing to do with any desire to unify with GCs, but rather the economic incentives and reaching prosperity quickly by joining the EU played the major role.
So why did TCs say yes to the plan?

[Piratis]

I have a feeling it had nothing to do with any desire to unify with GCs, but rather the economic incentives and reaching prosperity quickly by joining the EU played the major role.

I have a feeling that not many TCs will want to reply to this. Giving an honest answer to this question would be the same like admitting that the Annan plan was very biased something that most TCs would not want to do publicly.

[garbitsch]

I have a feeling it had nothing to do with any desire to unify with GCs, but rather the economic incentives and reaching prosperity quickly by joining the EU played the major role.

I have a feeling that not many TCs will want to reply to this. Giving an honest answer to this question would be the same like admitting that the Annan plan was very biased something that most TCs would not want to do publicly.

You are very wrong here Piratis. That was just a coincidence. The Turkish Cypriots were also ready to vote yes for the first Annan plan as well. I bet majority of Turkish Cypriots haven't even read the plan, but still they thought it would end their isolation and open the way for EU membership... Besides, they thought this was a war between them and the "status quo supporters". We can understand that when most of the Turkish Cypriot youth went to the street to celebrate victory at the night of referendum, although the plan failed as a result of G.C. no vote. But to be honest, I voted yes to the last version since it was meeting any Turkish demands, and I have doubts whether I would have voted yes for the previous versions...
What you said can be justified with the support of Turkish government to the plan.

[Piratis]

The Turkish Cypriots were also ready to vote yes for the first Annan plan as well.

Garbitch, some of Annan's plans were worst than others, but all of them were very biased against GCs.
What TCs had before the referendum was 36% illegally occupied part of Cyprus and an unrecognized pseudo state. (which among other things had as an effect the economic isolation etc).

What they would get the day after the referendum if both sides had voted yes, was a separate legal and recognized state in a weak confederation with a GC state. Not only that, they would be EU citizens, and they would get huge financial support in order to bring them to RoC standards.
All that by giving up 7% of the ground that they didn't own in the first place.

It is like somebody that was given 1 million dollars of stolen money but he can not use them as he wishes. Then they offer to him to give back a small part of these money and keep the rest legally. Thats a hell of a deal for him, don't you think?

But we, the people that were robed from our land and rights, want most of them back, not just a tiny part just to close the CYprus problem because it suits some others this way.

[Viewpoint]

I voted YES because I really thought this opportunity was not to be missed, a chance to unite and work together for the good of all of Cypriots after 30 years. For the first time the people that mattered were asked to decide. It was a move forwards to break the stalemate and allow GCs and TCs to prove they can solve their own problems. It was a turning point for me as I have previously mentioned that is when I decided Cypriots will never unite, they can argue until the cows come home, they are unable and inept at holding a piss up in a brewery let alone run a country together, the will is not there so there is no way out. The rest is history.

[Piratis]

a chance to unite and work together for the good of all of Cypriots after 30 years

Nop. What you missed was your chance to legalize not the unity, but the division, the racist separation of Cypriots and the violations of our human rights.

[Viewpoint]

a chance to unite and work together for the good of all of Cypriots after 30 years

Nop. What you missed was your chance to legalize not the unity, but the division, the racist separation of Cypriots and the violations of our human rights.

With all due respects Piratis thats your viewpoint not mine, what you constitute as unity may not necessarily conform to what I or others believe it entails, for 65% of TCs this was an opportunity for a United Cyprus Republic.

Im sure you are much happier to have the current situation rather than Annan 5, because it suits you that way, we can also argue this point.

[garbitsch]

The Turkish Cypriots were also ready to vote yes for the first Annan plan as well.

Garbitch, some of Annan's plans were worst than others, but all of them were very biased against GCs.
What TCs had before the referendum was 36% illegally occupied part of Cyprus and an unrecognized pseudo state. (which among other things had as an effect the economic isolation etc).

What they would get the day after the referendum if both sides had voted yes, was a separate legal and recognized state in a weak confederation with a GC state. Not only that, they would be EU citizens, and they would get huge financial support in order to bring them to RoC standards.
All that by giving up 7% of the ground that they didn't own in the first place.

It is like somebody that was given 1 million dollars of stolen money but he can not use them as he wishes. Then they offer to him to give back a small part of these money and keep the rest legally. Thats a hell of a deal for him, don't you think?

But we, the people that were robed from our land and rights, want most of them back, not just a tiny part just to close the CYprus problem because it suits some others this way.

I do not really find it feasable for you to talk on behalf of Turkish Cypriot community, and you are really diverting the main topic. And please do not tell me that the Annan plan's versions had NO support from the Greek Cypriot administration at no times.

[Piratis]

what you constitute as unity may not necessarily conform to what I or others believe it entails

How can unity entail almost exclusively division? What you claim is a paradox. If your aim was unity you wouldn't ask for a separate confederal state, a racist separation based on peoples race, separate elections, separate flag, separate anthem etc. How can all these 'separate' join up to make what you call "united"??? There was almost nothing united about it.

So don't tell us that the reason that you voted "yes" was unity. The reason was the exact opposite: legalization of division.

[Piratis]

I do not really find it feasable for you to talk on behalf of Turkish Cypriot community, and you are really diverting the main topic.

I don't talk on the TCs behalf. I am just stating the obvious. Do you really think anybody would believe that TCs voted "yes" because they wanted unity? The only unity that was a factor for them was the one with the EU, not Greek Cypriots.