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[Agios Amvrosios]

The frothy mouthed commie left wing majority of Cypriots have had a historical aversion to NATO. Many Cypriots claim that division and the ethnic cleansing of Cyprus is something which was facilitated by NATO.

October 3'- the terms of the EU Accesion talks could force Ankara to accept the entry of Cyprus into NATO. Condeleeza pilafi bourkouri obtained an assurance from Tassos that Cyprus will not apply to join NATO. -Does anyone have any more detailed info on the form and effect of these "assurances"?

I think NATO membersip would only improve Cyprus' position in terms of international politics.Shit will hit the turkish fan.

The Non Aligned Movement just pissed powerful people off.It was a very dumb move over all.

Do you think that Cyprus should try its luck with an application to NATO this new era?

[bg_turk]

The GC government is effectively at war with Turkey. Call it intervention, peace operation, invasion, occupation whatever you like, the situation is warlike since there has been only a ceasefire, no peace agreement.

Obviously a country cannot enter a defense organization like NATO, while still at war with a member state. GCs and Turkey must sign a peace agreement before Cyprus can ever think of joining NATO.

[cypezokyli]

i am not sure if cyprus wants to enter NATO

Obviously a country cannot enter a defense organization like NATO, while still at war with a member state.

dont take everything according to the law my friend.
the question is if cyprus wants and most important if america wants. all the rest is poetry.
let me remind you. turkey negotiates with EU without recognisizing one of its members. and as you say it still at war wih a member state.

these things happen:wink:

in any case such a prospect (cyprus in nato) does not appear as possible in the near future.

[Piratis]

the question is if cyprus wants and most important if america wants. all the rest is poetry.

Exactly. And since neither Cyprus or USA want there is no such issue.

[bg_turk]

i am not sure if cyprus wants to enter NATO

Obviously a country cannot enter a defense organization like NATO, while still at war with a member state.

dont take everything according to the law my friend.
the question is if cyprus wants and most important if america wants. all the rest is poetry.
let me remind you. turkey negotiates with EU without recognisizing one of its members. and as you say it still at war wih a member state.

these things happen:wink:

in any case such a prospect (cyprus in nato) does not appear as possible in the near future.

cypezokyli,

Why do you think then the greek cypriot government insisted on the inclusion of the paragraph stating that Turkey should not veto southern Cyprus from NATO if it doesnt intend to enter the alliance?

Also in effect, from what you have said above, you in fact admit that Turkish membership in the EU does not depend as much on Turkey recognizing the GC part as the sole legitimate goverment, as on the attitude of France, Germany and UK.

[Kifeas]

cypezokyli,

Why do you think then the greek cypriot government insisted on the inclusion of the paragraph stating that Turkey should not veto southern Cyprus from NATO if it doesnt intend to enter the alliance?

Also in effect, from what you have said above, you in fact admit that Turkish membership in the EU does not depend as much on Turkey recognizing the GC part as the sole legitimate goverment, as on the attitude of France, Germany and UK.

Just to give one more excuse /reason for Cyprus to block (veto) Turkey's accession process any time in the future!

Turkey used to block (veto) Cyprus not just from NATO but from 20 different international organizations in which it is a member.

I do not know what Pezokylis is saying but if this is the impression that Turkey gains, namely that she can ever accede the EU without recognizing the RoC or that her accession process itself can continue indefinitely without recognition, then she will be shockingly surprised.

[cypezokyli]

piratis wrote:

Exactly. And since neither Cyprus or USA want there is no such issue.

agree totally

Also in effect, from what you have said above, you in fact admit that Turkish membership in the EU does not depend as much on Turkey recognizing the GC part as the sole legitimate goverment, as on the attitude of France, Germany and UK

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turkish membership depends on many things. (and if referndums take place on even morecomplicated factors)
till the accession it is quite possible that turkey will have to recognise the republic of cyprus. it wouldnt surprise me if turkey finds a way out of it.
even though i think it will recognise it, at some point.

ofcource, france germany and uk will play the most important role.
we already know UKs one
if the other countries want a nice excuse to keep turkey out, the recognision of RoC is quite an easy one. plus it holds legally.

so, yes i do think that the turkeys accession in the eu depends mostl on the bigger powers (inluding the US)
dont u think it is the same for NATO?

Why do you think then the greek cypriot government insisted on the inclusion of the paragraph stating that Turkey should not veto southern Cyprus from NATO if it doesnt intend to enter the alliance?

i didnt have much time to read what happened. was it explicitly saying NATO? bc there were also some problems with euroarmy before.
in any case, what did you expect?
cyprus would get sth in return. perhaps not recognition but sth to feel also a winner.

[Agios Amvrosios]

I think we should apply to join just to shit stir.

[BirKibrisli]

I don't see what Cyprus will gain out of NATO membership,except to be a thorn in Turkey's side perhaps.And I think the USA will not want to upset Turkey at this point in history. I am beginning to agree with Mikis Teodorakis that England and USA orchestrated the Annan plan to pave the way for Turkey's accession talks with EU.I also heard that Turkey convinced Russia to veto a guarantee that the A- plan would be implemented hence guaranteeing the NO vote from the GCs.Would anyone like to comment on this last point?

[Kifeas]

I don't see what Cyprus will gain out of NATO membership,except to be a thorn in Turkey's side perhaps.And I think the USA will not want to upset Turkey at this point in history. I am beginning to agree with Mikis Teodorakis that England and USA orchestrated the Annan plan to pave the way for Turkey's accession talks with EU.I also heard that Turkey convinced Russia to veto a guarantee that the A- plan would be implemented hence guaranteeing the NO vote from the GCs.Would anyone like to comment on this last point?

Hello Birkibrisli,
I think both the GC side and Turkey favoured the Russian Veto then but for obvious different reasons. The Anglo-Americans did not try to pass a resolution for the mere purpose of guaranteeing its implementation should it be approved in the referendums, as Akel had suggested, but they went further into actually attempting to lock it from future modifications and as the only document on which a future solution can be agreed through the UN, should it would not be approved by any of the sites in the referendums, something which the GC side did not favour. The Russians veto the UN resolution claiming technical reasons and also that it would have potentially influenced the outcome of the referendums, which ideally should have been based on the actual content of the plan, something for which I agree with. Now, who influenced more the Russians into this vetoing is still unknown. The Anglo-Americans and Turkey blame the GC side, some TCs blame Turkey and the GC side says that it did not play any role and that the Russian Veto was based on principles, in line with what the Russians themselves claim.