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[Kikapu]

Kikapoo you lack the intelligence to out wit me we will never see eye eo eye as long you demand we become a minority in a GC run state, you may have gotten accumstomed to this out of choice but no one can force us into the same position...its BBF with political equality of the 2 states or nothing.

You are yet to win an argument with me in all these years, be it be VPs version 1.0, 2.0 or 3.0.

So much for your intelligence.

I tend not to have a "battle of the wits" with an unarmed individuals such as yourself!

Somehow, I think that one just went right over your head!

[Viewpoint]

Kikapoo you lack the intelligence to out wit me we will never see eye eo eye as long you demand we become a minority in a GC run state, you may have gotten accumstomed to this out of choice but no one can force us into the same position...its BBF with political equality of the 2 states or nothing.

You are yet to win an argument with me in all these years, be it be VPs version 1.0, 2.0 or 3.0.

So much for your intelligence.

I tend not to have a "battle of the wits" with an unarmed individuals such as yourself!

Somehow, I think that one just went right over your head!

[repulsewarrior]

Kikapoo you lack the intelligence to out wit me we will never see eye eo eye as long you demand we become a minority in a GC run state, you may have gotten accumstomed to this out of choice but no one can force us into the same position...its BBF with political equality of the 2 states or nothing.

...interesting, will you both agree that Cyprus should be Cypriot first, not "Greek", or "Turkish"; please answer yes or no.

...given an answer "yes" (to the above question), is it possible for Cypriot constituencies to have at another level of Government, self-representation where they, as Persons, are equal, too; please answer yes or no.

...given an answer "yes", to the second question; is it time for a Greek Constituency to represent itself independently (not unlike Turkish Cypriots), rather than as the State, so that all Individuals without distinction or discrimination can identify their union with one another as this island's Stewards, and Sovereign as Cypriots.

...you can choose to answer "yes" to the last question, and in doing so (vp is saying, "Greeks" must make that choice) defining Bicommunal for the rest of Mankind.

so, my fellow members, please don't ignore my questions, show your Faith, not just to me, but to each other, let's be clear.

Freedom for Cyprus, Freedom for Cypriots too!

is that it, new page and forget about it; stick to the schtick, woof woof you say?

[wyoming cowboy]

We would have to work closely with GCs, we would be included in all EU and world issues, we would have one international identity and recognition, we would trade directly from our own state, tourism would take off due to direct flights, TCs would return from abroad, we could take in Russian money like yourselves, we could ask for bailouts from the EU, my mail would come direct to my address etc etc. Is that enough?

You arent far off the mark actually,
You can add this...
The federal government will have port of entry jurisdiction,jurisdiction over the Federal police,build interstate roads, levy a tax on all citizens of Cyprus...collect taxes and build interstate roads. The Federal Supreme court will overrule both constituent states, in its decisions appeal of last resort to the Federal Supreme court. Much like the system here in the usa...The Federal government will be comprised according to the ratio of population of the two ethnic groups.....committies for eu and foreign affairs will be represented by both ethnic groups...

As for banks, all banks in the Eu will probably come under the umbrella of the Central bank of Europe, who will regulate them....

Do you see any problems with the above?

[Fabio6419]

It's about time both sides just sat down and talked. It's not just about talking but listening as well. Too many problems go unresolved because people don't hear they just talk.

[Viewpoint]

We would have to work closely with GCs, we would be included in all EU and world issues, we would have one international identity and recognition, we would trade directly from our own state, tourism would take off due to direct flights, TCs would return from abroad, we could take in Russian money like yourselves, we could ask for bailouts from the EU, my mail would come direct to my address etc etc. Is that enough?

You arent far off the mark actually,
You can add this...
The federal government will have port of entry jurisdiction,jurisdiction over the Federal police,build interstate roads, levy a tax on all citizens of Cyprus...collect taxes and build interstate roads. The Federal Supreme court will overrule both constituent states, in its decisions appeal of last resort to the Federal Supreme court. Much like the system here in the usa...The Federal government will be comprised according to the ratio of population of the two ethnic groups.....committies for eu and foreign affairs will be represented by both ethnic groups...

As for banks, all banks in the Eu will probably come under the umbrella of the Central bank of Europe, who will regulate them....

Do you see any problems with the above?

"The Federal government will be comprised according to the ratio of population of the two ethnic groups" eg 8GCs and 2TCs majority vote system? how will we have impact when the balance is firmly in the GCs favor? There has to be checks and balances to make sure we are not swept to one side or we will just return to the problems of the past.

[kimon07]

We would have to work closely with GCs, we would be included in all EU and world issues, we would have one international identity and recognition, we would trade directly from our own state, tourism would take off due to direct flights, TCs would return from abroad, we could take in Russian money like yourselves, we could ask for bailouts from the EU, my mail would come direct to my address etc etc. Is that enough?

You arent far off the mark actually,
You can add this...
The federal government will have port of entry jurisdiction,jurisdiction over the Federal police,build interstate roads, levy a tax on all citizens of Cyprus...collect taxes and build interstate roads. The Federal Supreme court will overrule both constituent states, in its decisions appeal of last resort to the Federal Supreme court. Much like the system here in the usa...The Federal government will be comprised according to the ratio of population of the two ethnic groups.....committies for eu and foreign affairs will be represented by both ethnic groups...

As for banks, all banks in the Eu will probably come under the umbrella of the Central bank of Europe, who will regulate them....

Do you see any problems with the above?

"The Federal government will be comprised according to the ratio of population of the two ethnic groups" eg 8GCs and 2TCs majority vote system? how will we have impact when the balance is firmly in the GCs favor? There has to be checks and balances to make sure we are not swept to one side or we will just return to the problems of the past.

You will have the same status as Texans do in the USA. And free T-bone stakes for life (or sausages if you prefer. We are the "dog" guarding them Remember?).

[Viewpoint]

We would have to work closely with GCs, we would be included in all EU and world issues, we would have one international identity and recognition, we would trade directly from our own state, tourism would take off due to direct flights, TCs would return from abroad, we could take in Russian money like yourselves, we could ask for bailouts from the EU, my mail would come direct to my address etc etc. Is that enough?

You arent far off the mark actually,
You can add this...
The federal government will have port of entry jurisdiction,jurisdiction over the Federal police,build interstate roads, levy a tax on all citizens of Cyprus...collect taxes and build interstate roads. The Federal Supreme court will overrule both constituent states, in its decisions appeal of last resort to the Federal Supreme court. Much like the system here in the usa...The Federal government will be comprised according to the ratio of population of the two ethnic groups.....committies for eu and foreign affairs will be represented by both ethnic groups...

As for banks, all banks in the Eu will probably come under the umbrella of the Central bank of Europe, who will regulate them....

Do you see any problems with the above?

"The Federal government will be comprised according to the ratio of population of the two ethnic groups" eg 8GCs and 2TCs majority vote system? how will we have impact when the balance is firmly in the GCs favor? There has to be checks and balances to make sure we are not swept to one side or we will just return to the problems of the past.

You will have the same status as Texans do in the USA. And free T-bone stakes for life (or sausages if you prefer. We are the "dog" guarding them Remember?).

So we will be ineffective and the GCs can do anything they wish??? no thanks. At least the Texans have the opportunity to lobby other states for votes to support anything it puts forward.

[kimon07]

"The Federal government will be comprised according to the ratio of population of the two ethnic groups" eg 8GCs and 2TCs...

Not exactly! It will be 1,8 TCs and 8,2 other Cypriots.

So we will be ineffective and the GCs can do anything they wish???...[/quote]

NO! The majority of ALL Cypriots will do anything they wish.

[Viewpoint]

"The Federal government will be comprised according to the ratio of population of the two ethnic groups" eg 8GCs and 2TCs...

Not exactly! It will be 1,8 TCs and 8,2 other Cypriots.

So we will be ineffective and the GCs can do anything they wish???...

NO! The majority of ALL Cypriots will do anything they wish.[/quote]

Thats what I said the GCs having the sword in their hands and cut us up into pieces when ever they wish and we can do sod all about it...no thanks.