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[humanist]

Either way you look at it the TC's have lost the fight. They are now a minority within a Turkish speaking society and they are minority within their own Country from every side you look at it. There are more British and Germans in the "trnc' than TC's/

[Viewpoint]

Pyro your delusional.

Thanks for the insult, I will not return it. Poor VP....cheers

Pro we have never seen eye to but you last posts were at least a bit constructive why have you gone into recession?

[Viewpoint]

Either way you look at it the TC's have lost the fight. They are now a minority within a Turkish speaking society and they are minority within their own Country from every side you look at it. There are more British and Germans in the "trnc' than TC's/

Hello we also speak Turkish and are Turkish in origin so your comments are ridiculous. Why are you GCs so concerned about us? is it because in another 50 years no one will have any connection with the south and the GCs?

[humanist]

17 thousand a day cross the green line for work ... you have more connection now thatn you ever did.

[Kikapu]

Either way you look at it the TC's have lost the fight. They are now a minority within a Turkish speaking society and they are minority within their own Country from every side you look at it. There are more British and Germans in the "trnc' than TC's/

TCs are the minority in the north, but for VP, that's OK, because as a minority, they have "Apartheid Democracy" on their side, because the so called government in the north are mainly TCs which are ruling the overwhelming majority Turkish settlers. Well, at least on paper anyway, because Turkey owns the TCs ass and if the TCs think they have any say so in the north, then they are in state of denial. This is what VP wants for Cyprus, an "Apartheid Democracy" which he will not get. But Erdogan has already put in action from last year,that all public jobs must include 50% settlers, which will become in a short time 50% settlers in the so called government in the north, and as our good friend Pyro stated, the settlers will then vote for one of their own as a "President". Gradually, the TCs will become "niggers" of the north, if you would excuse the expression, but that will be the reality. If VP and his ilk who are enjoying the spoils of war really thought they are from the roots of Turks and do not mind becoming a Turk, then they would have moved to live in Turkey long time ago. VP and his ilk are starting to panic, because even Erdogan is no longer talking about getting the north recognised or even annexing the north, not since the EU told Turkey that there is no such thing as a PLAN "B". If time was on VP's and his ilks side, he would just the "F" up and enjoy his stolen GC properties. In order to legalise his stolen GCs loot, he needs the GCs to legalise it for him by agreeing to something like the AP. Fat chance, so he starts his usual propaganda crap with idle threats.

[humanist]

Don't we know this. The settlers have already shown their overwhelming power by the YES vote for the AP. As they enter parliament they will thrash the TC to oblivion. I have to say I hold lettle symapthy or empathy .

[Viewpoint]

17 thousand a day cross the green line for work ... you have more connection now thatn you ever did.

Where do you get your figures from????

[Kikapu]

You wish, its the GCs who have now understood that they cannot force the TCs to do anything against their will. Now what you GCs have to come to terms with is the fact that we are partners and that you have to incorporate our demands concerns and fears into any solution which is totally against your mindset and narrow vision thats why talks and debates on this forum have fizzled out.

Where does it say in the UN resolution that BBF will be based on "partnership"???

If you are referring to the 1959 Zurich agreements, Denktash and Makarios by agreeing to chance from Unitary state to a BBF, by default, they did away with that 1959 Zurich agreements. From here on, a new agreement needs to be made and I don't see any "partnership" being accepted by the GCs, but only equal citizenship for all Cypriots, based on EU Principles!

Your demands are to give Cyprus to Turkey as the case was with the Annan plan, therefore, your demands it will not be accepted, specially from someone who is a "I'm a partitionist at heart", since you cannot be trusted by anyone. As for your fears and concerns, it will be accommodated if you really want them, but they will be in the form of special "Minority Rights". Do you really want to have special "Minority Rights" because that would make you officially a MINORITY group or do you want to be just be like any other Cypriot enjoying everything equally, just like ALL the Swiss do in Switzerland without any special minority rights to anyone, because no Swiss wants to be seen as a minority in their own country, even the 1% Romansh, the 10% Italian and the 20 % French speaking Swiss against the 69% German speaking Swiss. Learn something from the Swiss!

Be careful what you ask for, because you may not like it once you get it!

Dont you think its more important as to what those rights exactly are and what they are good for, so that really blows your theory out of the water that becoming just some significant minority like the minorities in Switzerland is better than becoming a minority with special rights as this is what you propose for us not what we want, actually this is what we are 100% against and would rather unite with Turkey than accept what you and many other GCs have in mind for us, what we want is a BBF with political equality of the 2 states north and south as put forward and supported by the UN.

You are talking absolute gibberish and I have not understood a word you said.

BBF does not mean the north would belong to the TCs and the south would belong to the GCs, for you to treat all those who are GCs living in the north as foreigners in their own country with their Democratic and Human Rights violated. That's what the AP supported. The UN resolutions does not support such thing and neither does the EU. Even if the UN were to support such a thing in your wildest dreams, because the UN/EU did not support the AP but some morally corrupted individuals from the UN and the EU, and since 2004 when Cyprus became part of the EU, no such thing can be accepted, so forget what you want the BBF to be. The AP is Dead and Buried and unless the TCs start taking action to become part of the whole island under EU Principles, they too will become Dead and Buried under the weight of the settlers and Turkey!

[Viewpoint]

Either way you look at it the TC's have lost the fight. They are now a minority within a Turkish speaking society and they are minority within their own Country from every side you look at it. There are more British and Germans in the "trnc' than TC's/

TCs are the minority in the north, but for VP, that's OK, because as a minority, they have "Apartheid Democracy" on their side, because the so called government in the north are mainly TCs which are ruling the overwhelming majority Turkish settlers. Well, at least on paper anyway, because Turkey owns the TCs ass and if the TCs think they have any say so in the north, then they are in state of denial. This is what VP wants for Cyprus, an "Apartheid Democracy" which he will not get. But Erdogan has already put in action from last year,that all public jobs must include 50% settlers, which will become in a short time 50% settlers in the so called government in the north, and as our good friend Pyro stated, the settlers will then vote for one of their own as a "President". Gradually, the TCs will become "niggers" of the north, if you would excuse the expression, but that will be the reality. If VP and his ilk who are enjoying the spoils of war really thought they are from the roots of Turks and do not mind becoming a Turk, then they would have moved to live in Turkey long time ago. VP and his ilk are starting to panic, because even Erdogan is no longer talking about getting the north recognised or even annexing the north, not since the EU told Turkey that there is no such thing as a PLAN "B". If time was on VP's and his ilks side, he would just the "F" up and enjoy his stolen GC properties. In order to legalise his stolen GCs loot, he needs the GCs to legalise it for him by agreeing to something like the AP. Fat chance, so he starts his usual propaganda crap with idle threats.

The Disneyland you live must have effected your mental capacity to understand that becoming a minority among our own kind is in fact not minority but being the majority, for fucks sake we are Turkish in origin, we speak Turkish have the same religion and share the majority of customs, becoming a minority among revenge seeking Turk hating GCs like yourself is what we have and will continue fight against. Nothing will change in the TRNC you have tried every trick in the book to no avail even your blackmail to join the EU didnt give you not one inch of land back not one soldier left nor have the numbers of new TCs reduced.....you will keep banging your head against a brick wall until you understand that you are on the wrong path and that any solution has to get the approval of the TCs, without them you have no one to unite with. Now wise up and under the hypocrisy in what you preach become a minority among GCs and not Turks...this is so dumb and a reflection of your whole warped and biased philosophy.

[Viewpoint]

Don't we know this. The settlers have already shown their overwhelming power by the YES vote for the AP. As they enter parliament they will thrash the TC to oblivion. I have to say I hold lettle symapthy or empathy .

We are one and the same people, are you ashamed of your Greek roots, if you are then why did you want to return to them but deny us the same right, you are an hypocrite of the highest order.