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[PC Bubble]

MR-from- MG.

The North has a rich benefactor only 40 miles away who will always bail them out if necessary and whose economy is booming.

ROC is a bankrupt nation trying to beg money from anyone who will lend it. Their benefactor ( Greece) is in a worse state through lying cheating and laziness.

Hard times ahead my friends !!

[MR-from-NG]

MR-from- MG.

The North has a rich benefactor only 40 miles away who will always bail them out if necessary and whose economy is booming.

ROC is a bankrupt nation trying to beg money from anyone who will lend it. Their benefactor ( Greece) is in a worse state through lying cheating and laziness.

Hard times ahead my friends !!

No doubt the administration will survive because of the handouts from Turkey but as I see it the standard of living is taking a nosedive. Anyway, what kind of people does it make us to survive on handouts from Turkey. The sooner we get rid of them the better as far as I'm concerned.

[Piratis]

Self inflicted bastardization does you no justice!

And how exactly can "bastardization" be "Self inflicted"?

What can be self inflicted is exposing your low IQ and lack of education, making a fool of yourself.

All modern day nations are "bastardized". They are a result of constant migrations, mixing of populations and exchange of ideas. Cyprus is no different. Claiming that the Cypriots of today are just the direct descendants of the very first settlers that came to Cyprus 12.000 years ago without any kind of "bastardization", is a fairy tale that only an idiot would tell and only a bigger idiot would believe. In fact there is a chance that we are not related to those very first settlers at all, since archeological evidence show that they might have gone extinct, and Cyprus had remained uninhabited for a long period until the next wave of settlers arrived.

If Greeks are foreign to Cyprus, with 3000+ years of Hellenic civilization on this island, then English would be foreign to London (just 1500 years of English history there) and most people would be foreigners in the lands they currently inhabit.

Just giving yourself some different label doesn't change the substance. The white Europeans who went to Australia and America and named themselves "Americans" and "Australians" did not become direct descendants of the people that inhabited those lands previously.

[kimon07]

And how exactly can "bastardization" be "Self inflicted"?

Piratis. The British colonial propaganda promoters, for reasons I can not explain, reemerged again all of a sudden from the underworld were they had been posting their crap for some months. They will start opening new topics one after the other all dealing with the same subject as the one of this thread. No need to keep their crap threads alive. Answer them not and the threads will die after 4-5 posts. I think we have interesting subjects related to the CYP and the regional developments to deal with.

[humanist]

well looks like that Cyprus needs a German to sort things out lol. On both sides of the divide.

[repulsewarrior]

Self inflicted bastardization does you no justice!

It is imperative that a people unite, come forward and proudly CLAIM direct ancestry to the furthermost ancients of Cyprus, CLAIM a direct inheritance to the oldest of unearthed civilizations in Cyprus, and thereby stake their ancestral ownership of this land for the whole wide world to see!

Those who fail to do this can only be considered foreign imports unworthy of any ownership or “latter arrivals” if you like and non indigenous contemporary claimants, because indigenousness is a unique privileged status of those who made first contact with a land… those whom the world would love to see come forward in Cyprus!

Nobody in the history of mankind has ever earned kudos for boasting of his alien hood so be very careful not to distance yourself from your country and inheritance with foreign-serving fabricated tales of bastardization!

The treasure of your inheritance is not the cold stones of the Acropolis from 800 miles away, but the bones of your forefathers lying in this very soil beneath your feet right here in Cyprus going right back to the very first Cypriot 12,000 years ago!

The world has been waiting for you for 40 years to proudly announce your acknowledgement of your glorious past so delay it no further!


Regards, GR!

...a very interesting plea; it sounds as though we are on the same side.

....indeed the flags, to be a pain in the ass, whether a Greek or a Turk, my plea, stick it to the "Greeks" and the "Turks", fly one Cypriot.

...indeed, a Unitary State, a Cypriot State where within, Cypriot Constituencies can represent their respect as Majorities for the Minorities amongst them, this is my example toward Cyprus defining the word Bicommunal for Mankind, thus it is with Bizonal, the island no longer torn in two, as one State Sovereign, Territorial Jurisdictions, geographic components and many of them, provide for each National Assembly (i.e. Greek and Turkish Constituencies) the obligation to represent an electorate that spans island wide; this is Justice Seen for Cypriots who were sacrificed, displaced, or made missing, toward the causes of evil men seeking their own Glories in '63 and '74.

...if you believe that Cypriots seek to sustain the Distinct Identities enriched by this Land, then consider the power of a Greek Constituency, rather than a Greek State in these circumstances; and quite frankly the irony is astonishing to me, vp agrees with what you said (in another thread; Cypriot has roots older than Greeks, more tha just Greek), he agreed with me, a Cypriot State is best when two (i add: at least) equal states (a Greek Constituency and a Turkish Constituency) exist within it. but, he insists it will never happen because the GCs as he calls them will never agree to this demise.

...i respect the fact that Cyprus is very rich in Patrimony, i respect the fact that we have a great responsibility as its Steward, i know we have a great deal to learn, and i suffer gladly now, at least with an outlet where the dialog between us is possible where it never existed before; what is wrong with my manifesto, born from this dialog and these facts? i ask you GR do you agree in Principal with vp and me (at least on this point) that under the conditions i've proposed, Bicommunal does offer us Freedom (and Liberty)?

...and what about Bizonal (even if the Green Line does not move an inch) where driving up and down Cyprus you might drive through a Greek zone to a Turkish zone to a Greek zone to a Maronite Zone, to a Turkish zone etc., could you live in a Country which offers as well, to Constituencies self-representation like this?

[Get Real!]

Self inflicted bastardization does you no justice!

And how exactly can "bastardization" be "Self inflicted"?

Self inflicted bastardization is something you seem to specialize in Piratis by being hell bent on Balkanising your ethnic origins!

Of course, you have every right to declare the origins of YOUR family to anywhere you want… even another planet if it suits your fantasy, but to assert that the people of Cyprus are not of Cyprus but from 1,000 miles away is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in my life!

Or even to assert that Cyprus was occupied by “Greeks” millenniums ago (even though Greece did not exist) and Cypriots therefore stopped being Cypriots and acquired the occupier’s origins is even dafter! As if Iraqis have become Americans since their 1991 invasion/occupation by the US!

The Greek run propaganda education machine of the 60s and 70s has messed up your mind irreversibly!

[Get Real!]

The North has a rich benefactor only 40 miles away who will always bail them out if necessary and whose economy is booming.

Turkey is not rich by any standards. Turkey simply went from being a financial disgrace in 2000/1 to “improved and promising” over the next decade so do not sensationalize with sweeping statements.

ROC is a bankrupt nation trying to beg money from anyone who will lend it.

The RoC is not bankrupt but two of its banks placed some of their eggs in the wrong basket. The RoC is now shopping around to borrow money to save them. Once again, do not sensationalize with sweeping statements.

Their benefactor ( Greece) is in a worse state through lying cheating and laziness.

The RoC doesn't have any "benefactors" and never did in the past so do not post garbage because you just make a dork of your self!

[Piratis]

Of course, you have every right to declare the origins of YOUR family to anywhere you want… even another planet if it suits your fantasy, but to assert that the people of Cyprus are not of Cyprus but from 1,000 miles away is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in my life!

If you go back many 1000s of years, then yes. People came to Cyprus from other places. What is stupid is to believe that Cypriots grew out of the land of Cyprus and they never mixed with anybody else ever since.

Or even to assert that Cyprus was occupied by “Greeks” millenniums ago (even though Greece did not exist) and Cypriots therefore stopped being Cypriots and acquired the occupier’s origins is even dafter! As if Iraqis have become Americans since their 1991 invasion/occupation by the US!

Cypriots are not people that grew out of the land of Cyprus, but people who came to Cyprus from many different places. Most of those who came were Greek speaking people. Those who came from other places (Anatolia, Middle East, Africa) eventually assimilated into the Greek majority. Today and for 1000s of years the people of Cyprus speak Greek, have a Greek religion and a Greek identity. The Greeks are native to Cyprus just like they are native to Athens, and Cyprus is one of the origins of the Greek civilization. Those Cypriots who are not Greek are ethnic minorities who came to Cyprus more recently and did not assimilate. (or people like GR who emigrated to a foreign country and were assimilated there, and now suffer from an identity crisis)

[PC Bubble]

Get Real.

Why not do just what your name says and GET REAL.

The economy in Turkey is booming ....FACT.

The 3 main banks are seeking bailout funds to re capitalize.
They were too heavily involved (stupidly) in Greek bonds which has proved a disaster. ALL their eggs in one basket !

Not too clever?

The ROC economy is in free fall . The lame government is passing round the begging bowl trying to attract loans. Even CYTA is loaning the government money. The government will be unable to pay its' staff by the end of August. Shops ad businesses are closing daily. Soup kitchens are opening to feed people in Limmasol (see Euronews today ). The TROIKA leaves Cyprus to consider loaning the country money only to be told by Red Dwarf that there should be no conditions. Is he joking ?

Not bankrupt ?

British holiday makers are being warned to avoid 'Expensive Cyprus' ( Daily Mail today ). A basket of 20 household items are double the price of Spain.

Not good for the economy ?

Motherland Greece is also bankrupt.

Big problems ahead.....GET REAL !