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[bill cobbett]

I find it difficult to understand why this injustice has been allowed to drag on for 38 years when I see how passionately these MEPs, MPs and former UK government ministers feel about the Cyprus tragedy.

They feed you bullshit to get your votes. The UK must be the most pro-Turk and anti-Cypriot state in EU. Some of them might honestly give a tiny fuck about Cyprus but when they are in power in important positions they always help the Turks.

The UK Government, is, rather like Turkey, in some ways America's stooge but some of these individuals do care about Cyprus and I would rather see them in Trafalgar Square bashing Turkey than supporting it you senile old arsehole. Unfortunately there are not, and never have been, enough of them in Government to make a difference. If a few thousand British Cypriots got off their fat arses and personally lobbied their MPs and MEPs instead of whingeing they might just see a serious change of attitude from the UK.

What did those "former UK government ministers" did when they were not "former"? The UK has a pro-Turkish and anti-Cypriot foreign policy for decades now. Hey, even some verbal support from some "former" is better than nothing ... but stop fooling yourselves about your ability to affect the foreign policy of the UK!

Here are a couple of pickies for you Sotos and others. It's of the GB Foreign and Commonwealth Office in Whitehall, London.

Grand, imposing building in the Classical Style. The Lobby and Grand Staircase are particular gems.

Somewhere inside this building is a "desk", the Cyprus Desk. It isn't really a real desk but is an "office" manned by a senior official who is tasked with dealing with Cyprus Issues. Did come across the name of this official a couple of years ago, it's a woman by the way. The job of this woman is to maintain the Foreign Office's position on matters CY. Policies that ain't changed in decades.

The Foreign Office such a powerful institution that no mere GB Foreign Secretary takes it on lightly. Indeed those few that do, don't succeed and don't last very long.

[Viewpoint]

And did they manage to get one inch back?

[Jerry]

I find it difficult to understand why this injustice has been allowed to drag on for 38 years when I see how passionately these MEPs, MPs and former UK government ministers feel about the Cyprus tragedy.

They feed you bullshit to get your votes. The UK must be the most pro-Turk and anti-Cypriot state in EU. Some of them might honestly give a tiny fuck about Cyprus but when they are in power in important positions they always help the Turks.

The UK Government, is, rather like Turkey, in some ways America's stooge but some of these individuals do care about Cyprus and I would rather see them in Trafalgar Square bashing Turkey than supporting it you senile old arsehole. Unfortunately there are not, and never have been, enough of them in Government to make a difference. If a few thousand British Cypriots got off their fat arses and personally lobbied their MPs and MEPs instead of whingeing they might just see a serious change of attitude from the UK.

What did those "former UK government ministers" did when they were not "former"? The UK has a pro-Turkish and anti-Cypriot foreign policy for decades now. Hey, even some verbal support from some "former" is better than nothing ... but stop fooling yourselves about your ability to affect the foreign policy of the UK!

Here are a couple of pickies for you Sotos and others. It's of the GB Foreign and Commonwealth Office in Whitehall, London.

Grand, imposing building in the Classical Style. The Lobby and Grand Staircase are particular gems.

Somewhere inside this building is a "desk", the Cyprus Desk. It isn't really a real desk but is an "office" manned by a senior official who is tasked with dealing with Cyprus Issues. Did come across the name of this official a couple of years ago, it's a woman by the way. The job of this woman is to maintain the Foreign Office's position on matters CY. Policies that ain't changed in decades.

The Foreign Office such a powerful institution that no mere GB Foreign Secretary takes it on lightly. Indeed those few that do, don't succeed and don't last very long.

Spot on Bill. The FCO elders still look upon Cypriots as a supporters of Eoka and have never forgiven them for that. Newly elected UK Governments may have strong views on economic and social policy but in the main they are guided by the FCO (the "experts") in overseas matters. Half a dozen Frank Dobsons in Blair's cabinet however could have insisted that the UK Government adhere to the Treaty of Guarantee.

[humanist]

No that the British care about Cyprus , for them its a place to go on holidays in summer. But this year if it hasn't in the past the Cypriots who March ought to take the Cyprus, British and EU flags to fly side by side
Remond Europe Cyprus is one of them and they should stand by Her to free it's land from the Turkish occupiers.

[bill cobbett]

Jerry koumbare, the only GB Foreign Secretary who tried to take on the Foreign Office was the late Robin Cook, a good friend of CY, when he spoke of and tried to promote what was called "an ethical foreign policy", back in the '90s. He got nowhere, the FO Mandarins frustrated his efforts, bided their time and he left without effect.

Look at those pickies again friends of that imposing but unattractive facade and that staircase, the FO is an impossible to break down bastion, a keep of tradition, a colonial tradition, which in the case of CY, is one of green lines, of buffer zones, of apartheid and of communalism dressed up as "fair and equitable" solutions.

So yes Andreas file, more and more we must find the workarounds to the FO and the US State Department obstacles and they may lie within buildings like this...

[Get Real!]

Thanks for posting that Bill I watched the whole clip. I find it difficult to understand why this injustice has been allowed to drag on for 38 years when I see how passionately these MEPs, MPs and former UK government ministers feel about the Cyprus tragedy.

It’s all thanks to the many fools on our side of the fence who have managed to demote a sovereign nation into a confused island of communities by denying their Cypriot ethnic origins and inventing fantasies from far away lands!

So under the circumstances what do you expect other countries like Britain to do when many Cypriots themselves can’t figure out where they come from by denying ancestral ownership of this country?

They’re still too stupid to understand that ancestral ownership is everything in the fight for justice but all they are ever good at is shooting themselves in the foot!

[Hermes]

Thanks for posting that Bill I watched the whole clip. I find it difficult to understand why this injustice has been allowed to drag on for 38 years when I see how passionately these MEPs, MPs and former UK government ministers feel about the Cyprus tragedy.

It’s all thanks to the many fools on our side of the fence who have managed to demote a sovereign nation into a confused island of communities by denying their Cypriot ethnic origins and inventing fantasies from far away lands!

So under the circumstances what do you expect other countries like Britain to do when many Cypriots themselves can’t figure out where they come from by denying ancestral ownership of this country?

They’re still too stupid to understand that ancestral ownership is everything in the fight for justice but all they are ever good at is shooting themselves in the foot!

My dear, GR, you do know that the "eteo-Cypriots" thesis was vigorously advocated by the British colonial authorities in Cyprus to discredit rising Greek nationalism in Cyprus? The only possible way that this could be achieved was through the identification of an ancient 'autochthonous' population that had remained largely unaffected by more recent colonization and immigration and would thus make ancient Cyprus look less Hellenic.

So please clear your head of all the dodgy British propaganda you seem to have inherited. It's bad enough that we have to take lessons in our identity from foreigners without having you perpetuate their misinformation...

[Viewpoint]

And this rally achieved what exactly???

[GreekIslandGirl]

Turkey has capitalised on the corrupt nature of the average British MP and MEP. Too many of them have been bought. I don't think any of them would support Turkey unless there was a huge financial incentive in it for them as we have learnt that Money turns the wheels of Parliament ...

BTW, bill c. .... this was a very poorly publicized rally, or is it just me? I had next Sunday penciled in. What is going on with these rally organisations?

[bill cobbett]

Turkey has capitalised on the corrupt nature of the average British MP and MEP. Too many of them have been bought. I don't think any of them would support Turkey unless there was a huge financial incentive in it for them as we have learnt that Money turns the wheels of Parliament ...

BTW, bill c. .... this was a very poorly publicized rally, or is it just me? I had next Sunday penciled in. What is going on with these rally organisations?

Sorry GG, not involved with the orgs in any way... so can't answer your question.