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[kimon07]

Like Hermes advised me in another thread. lets not feed thee troll. Lets concentrate of the subject of Sotos and pay tribute to our Greek Cypriot heroes. Ignore the colonial remnants.

[kimon07]

Here is the answer to the colonial remnants:

Vassilis Michaelides, "9th of July 1821".

Η Ρωμιοσύνη εν φυλή συνότζιαιρη του κόσμου,
κανένας δεν εβρέθηκεν για να την-ι-ξηλείψη,
κανένας, γιατί σιέπει την που τάψη ο Θεός μου.
Η Ρωμιοσύνη εν να χαθή, όντας ο κόσμος λείψη!

Σφάξε μας ούλους τζι' ας γενή το γαίμαν μας αυλάτζιν,
κάμε τον κόσμον ματζιελλειόν τζιαι τους Ρωμιούς τραούλλια, αμμά ξέρε πως ίλαντρον όντας κοπή καβάτζιν τριγύρου του πετάσσουνται τρακόσια παραπούλια.

Το 'νιν αντάν να τρώ' την γην τρώει την γην θαρκέται,
μα πάντα τζιείνον τρώεται τζιαι τζιείνον καταλυέται.

[AEKTZIS]

Get Real,

This is another thread where your ignorance shines through. 9 July 1821 is a very important date in the history of Cyprus, and you see fit to mock and degrade it. You claim to be some kind of patriot? Have you not even read Vasilis Michaelides' poem about 9 Iouliou? It is an epic poem, beuatifully composed in Greek-Cypriot dialect, rich in its meaning. I suggest you read it, patriot. For someone who boasts about how they are an ancestor of great people, show some more humility and learn about the history of Cyprus instead of shunning it.

In July 1821, the Turks slaughtered the Greeks of Cyprus. We paid dearly for our patriotic obligation. Not only were hundreds of clergymen hanged and beheaded, but in the coming weeks the Turkish army arrived from Syria and slaughtered over 5000 Greeks of the island; a large proportion of the island's population back then.

I am fortunate enough to have a documented family history going back as far as 1821. My own ancestor from my mother's side (several generations back) was mouxtaris of the village. On 9 July 1821, all mouxtarides were rounded up and imprisoned. Over 2000 men, they were beheaded.

And to mock Chatzipetros? That's surely a new low. You should be ashamed. You are not fit to wipe that man's tombstone. He was a general of the Greek army, not from Cyprus but led the Cypriot brigade in 1821, fought at Missolonghi and survived, went on to fight at many more battles, and if you don't believe he even existed go to the Athens War museum and you can find his name documented as a general in the army, along with the names of hundreds of Cypriots that fought in the war. Honestly, to be mocking and degrading dead heroes disgusts me. You call yourself a Cypriot? Go to Turkey, you don't deserve to be called a Cypriot.

[Get Real!]

Here is the answer to the colonial remnants:

Vassilis Michaelides, "9th of July 1821".

Η Ρωμιοσύνη εν φυλή συνότζιαιρη του κόσμου,
κανένας δεν εβρέθηκεν για να την-ι-ξηλείψη,
κανένας, γιατί σιέπει την που τάψη ο Θεός μου.
Η Ρωμιοσύνη εν να χαθή, όντας ο κόσμος λείψη!

Σφάξε μας ούλους τζι' ας γενή το γαίμαν μας αυλάτζιν,
κάμε τον κόσμον ματζιελλειόν τζιαι τους Ρωμιούς τραούλλια, αμμά ξέρε πως ίλαντρον όντας κοπή καβάτζιν τριγύρου του πετάσσουνται τρακόσια παραπούλια.

Το 'νιν αντάν να τρώ' την γην τρώει την γην θαρκέται,
μα πάντα τζιείνον τρώεται τζιαι τζιείνον καταλυέται.

The word “Ρωμιοσύνη” does not refer to Greece or Greeks but to the Roman Empire or more specifically the Eastern Roman Empire (nowadays called the Byzantine Empire) whose religion was Christian Orthodox, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by repeatedly posting this poem.

NB: The poet’s gripe was the tensions between Christians and Muslims at the time. (not that much has changed since)

[Get Real!]

This is another thread where your ignorance shines through. 9 July 1821 is a very important date in the history of Cyprus, and you see fit to mock and degrade it. You claim to be some kind of patriot? Have you not even read Vasilis Michaelides' poem about 9 Iouliou? It is an epic poem, beuatifully composed in Greek-Cypriot dialect, rich in its meaning.

Which I very much doubt you understood!

[kimon07]

The word “Ρωμιοσύνη” does not refer to Greece or Greeks but to the Roman Empire or more specifically the Eastern Roman Empire (nowadays called the Byzantine Empire) whose religion was Christian Orthodox, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by repeatedly posting this poem.

NB: The poet’s gripe was the tensions between Christians and Muslims at the time. (not that much has changed since)

"Blessed are the poor in spirit (= stupid/morons/idiots/ignorant) , for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.(Matthew 5:3)


Ottoman usage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%BBm#R ... _as_a_name
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Under the Ottoman Empire's Millet system, Greeks were in the "Rum Millet" (Millet-i Rum), and also in today's Turkey Rum are the Turkish citizens of Greek Ethnos.

The term "Urums", also derived from the same origin, is still used in contemporary ethnography to denote Turkic-speaking Greek populations.

"Rumaiic" is a Greek dialect identified mainly with the Ottoman Greeks.

Identity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Greeks#Identity

The Greeks were a self-conscious group within the larger Christian Orthodox religious community established by the Ottoman Empire.

They distinguished themselves from their Orthodox co-religionists by retaining their Greek culture, customs, language, and tradition of education.

Throughout the post-Byzantine and Ottoman periods, Greeks, as members of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, declared themselves as Graikoi (Greek: Γραικοί, "Greeks") and Romaioi or Romioi (Greek: Ρωμαίοι/Ρωμηιοί, "Romans").

Notable Ottoman Greeks
Notable Ottoman Greeks
• Aleksandro Karatodori (1833–1906).
• Basil Zaharoff (1850–1936).
• Christakis Zografos (1820–1896), banker and benefactor.
• Elia Kazan (1909–2003).
• Elias Venezis (1904–1973), writer from Ayvalık.
• Emanuel Emanuelides, Ottoman Parliamentary Deputy.
• Enver Pasha, Military General.
• Evangelinos Misailides (1820–1890).
• Hüseyin Hilmi Pasha, Grand Vizier.
• Ibrahim Pasha, Grand Vizier to Suleyman the Magnificent.
• Ishak Pasha, Grand Vizier.
• Kosem Sultan (1589–1651).
• Marko Apostolides.
• Michael Vasileiou
• Nikolas Mavrokordatos (1670–1730).
• Prince Alexander Mavrocordatos (1791–1865).
• Yorgo Zarifi (1810–1884), banker and financier.

[kimon07]

"Blessed are the poor in spirit (idiots/stupid/morons/ignorant) for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"

Ethological large.jpg

[Get Real!]

Too bad for you Kimon that a Greek scholar agrees with me...

Τι είναι η Ρωμιοσύνη

http://www.oodegr.com/oode/istoria/rwmi ... syni_1.htm

Your church seems to agree with me too...

http://www.romiosini.org.gr/144B87F8.el.aspx

In a simple sentence it is... "The ways of the Byzantine Empire" (especially religion)

[AEKTZIS]

This is another thread where your ignorance shines through. 9 July 1821 is a very important date in the history of Cyprus, and you see fit to mock and degrade it. You claim to be some kind of patriot? Have you not even read Vasilis Michaelides' poem about 9 Iouliou? It is an epic poem, beuatifully composed in Greek-Cypriot dialect, rich in its meaning.

Which I very much doubt you understood!

You doubt that I understood Michailidis' poetry? You had not even heard of the poem and were mocking the events described in 2 OF HIS MOST FAMOUS POEMS. I have read most of his works. Read "Η ΧΙΩΤΙΣΣΑ ΕΝ ΛΕΜΕΣΩ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟ 1821" - you seem really childish, no offence. Your response of "I doubt you understood it" reminds me of those childhood playground fights

- "You're an idiot"
- "I know you are but what am I".

etc....

Instead of resorting to child-like responses, maybe read up about Cypriot history and read the poems of our national poet. He was a great patriot, and a hero. He was studying in Italy in 1876 as a young man, and then voluntarily left the following year to go to Greece, in order to fight for the liberation of Thessaly in '77. His epic poem, "Η Χιωτισσα", is one of my favourites:

" Κ`αι που εν κ`είνος ο νούς, α θκειούλλα,
κ`αι κ`είν’ η όρεξη κ`’ η ζωή,
κ`αι που εν κ`είν’ η γερή καρτούλλα
πων να τα πή κ`αι να μέν ραή·
θωρώ νεκρούς ‘κόμα ομπροστά μου·
κ`’ εν ο βασμός ‘κόμα μέσ’ στα φκιά μου·
ήτουν της σόρτας μου, θκειά, κ`’ εμέναν
να δώ την Χίον μου μακ`ελλειόν,
να ππέσω δίχως γονιούς στα ξένα
κ`αι να με τρώη το νεκαλειόν."

[Get Real!]

This is another thread where your ignorance shines through. 9 July 1821 is a very important date in the history of Cyprus, and you see fit to mock and degrade it. You claim to be some kind of patriot? Have you not even read Vasilis Michaelides' poem about 9 Iouliou? It is an epic poem, beuatifully composed in Greek-Cypriot dialect, rich in its meaning.

Which I very much doubt you understood!

You doubt that I understood Michailidis' poetry?

So are you saying that unlike Kimon you knew the meaning of the word Ρωμιοσύνη?