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[Viewpoint]

Cyprus is Our Country and if the TC's with their racists ideologies cannot live with us they can go to Turkey. We will never split Our Country in portions to accommodate a racist minority group.

Too late, time you realized that and adjusted your mindset otherwise you do not just sound ignorant but way behind the times.

[Viewpoint]

catching up with what? Settlers ?

You TC's are disgusting if you cannot see what you are doing to Cyprus.

enosis broke the vase yet you complain the vase is broken.

[MrH]

Firstly, Thanks ViewPoint for your Addition as always!

Kikapu Wrote:

So in a nutshell, why should the RoC allow recognition to the north if the game is already up and Turkey has gotten what it wants.??

Where is the win-win when the RoC already has the recognition and the title to the whole of the island and in the EU, and the "trnc" has no recognition and the territory it occupies belongs to the RoC and the EU?

Now almost all of the Turks in the north are Illegal Aliens. How would it help the RoC if they all became Legal Aliens and still remained on the island?

Can you please explain, since you know more about politics than me, according to you of course!

Hi Kikapu, Let me clarify by answering your questions as simple as possible:

1) The ROC doesn't need to ALLOW the Recognition of the TRNC as it is only one country of many, one which is not recognised by Turkey mind you, and one "Half" Country which has NO EFFECTIVE Control over the Northern Part known as the "TRNC" regardless of it being recognised or not. Kosovo is not Recognised by many countries, and nor is Taiwan or even Tibet but it doesn't mean that they are not an actual functioning state!

2) Cyprus, the Entire island that is, is STILL BOUND BY the "CEASE FIRE LINE REGULATION", which effectively, again, means that it is LOCKED in UN Talks if it wants to find a "COMPREHENSIVE RESOLUTION" to the Cyprus "Problem".

3) The original 1960 Constitution and its accompanying Zurich agreements are a "Partnership" of Two Founding peoples - The "Turks" and "Greeks" of Cyprus which is why THEY are still talking! and which is why Turkey, Greece and the UK Guarantors of the Entire island.

4) Whether the Turks of Cyprus are known as "Turkish Cypriots or Turks, or now consist of a combination of mixed Turks since 1974 due to the inability to compromise on a Comprehensive Solution" (as said by Eroglu's latest comments), NOTHING is resolved until a Comprehensive solution is AGREED upon. However, it the long term Natural consequences of NOT agreeing to a Solution which now appears to be benefiting Turkey - and you know this very well!

5) The "Turkish Cypriots", due to the non-movement of Greek Cypriot policy and isolation have resigned to their fate of mixing completely with hundreds of thousands of so called "Turkish Settlers" since 1974 to the extent that it is now irreversible, unless of course the Greek Cypriots were to immediately recognise a Turkish Cypriot State - but I'm now certain that this would now even be rejected by the EU and UN due to the intervention of Russian and other money laundering vultures.

6) Finally, if, and if, the Greek Cypriot had an inch of brains and decided to Recognise A Turkish Cypriot State in the North and it went through smoothly, that part would immediately be a part of the EU, Turkey would have to leave the island ASAP and a new state of politics and agreement would bestow on the Greek and Turkish Cypriots, but, we know that will never happen now as the Greek Cypriots are now too embedded in their corrupt, Russian paid, GAS filled, false hopes of prosperity which denying the fact they could stop this in one swift move.

As the above last point will never materialise, The Turkish population in the north will continue to grow very quick indeed, the Turkish Cypriots will soon be out-numbered 50-1, the UN talks will fail, the Gas exploration and its money will not be seen by the Greek Cypriot people but will probably be used to pay off Greece's debts and the corrupt rich, the TRNC will become an official province of Turkey with no isolation due to that reason, and Turkey's economic influence and geopolitical stand in the future will make it a very independent power and important country for both the EU, middle east and new Turkic states. Meanwhile, Cyprus will be like "Ireland", a land where the Northern part will be part of Turkey, like northern Ireland is part of the UK, and the south will remain like the Republic of Ireland - Republic of Cyprus, poor, corrupt and a tiny non-important mini state of the EU with 60% of its future population consisting of EU migrants!

Please Do not forget the interests of the British Government and security of their bases as a Divide and Rule suits their policy and unification obviously does Not! It's the lack of Greek Cypriot vision and their greed that keeps Turkish and British policy alive, think about it - Speak to some of the Opinion writers in the Cyprus Mail!

Good luck!

[MrH]

Sorry for any Typo mistakes - as always, I am writing this on my Blackberry device while sitting in my Girne Apartment overlooking the Liman!

[Hermes]

The Turkish population in the north will continue to grow very quick indeed,

Unfortunately for your entire premise the population in the north is not growing. As kimon posted on another thread, the economy in the occupied areas is stagnant and cannot support the current population so some settlers are actually returning to Turkey. The idea that the north can support one million people is frankly ludicrous.

Your other premise is that Turkey will abandon its EU prospects rather than give up Cyprus. Why hasn't it done so already? We're all waiting.

The truth is that Turkey's entire strategy in Cyprus has collapsed since 2004. EU entry for the ROC confirmed the ROC as the sovereign representative of the island. You cannot avoid this simple fact.

Since 2004 Turkey has failed to undermine the legitimacy of the ROC while simultaneously undermining the role and rights of the TCs in Cyprus.

The ROC has no need to do anything to challenge Turkey's failed 'strategy' in Cyprus. Just allow Turkey to hang itself on its own rope.

[Hermes]

what are you trying to say, the 'TC's' should give the RoC some of her territory back in exchange for recognision?

I think he's trying to say that if the RoC doesn't agree to a two-state solution Turkey will exterminate all the Turkish Cypriots.

A word of advice to MrH. If you intend to blackmail us - make sure your hostage is someone we give a damn about!!!

[bill cobbett]

what are you trying to say, the 'TC's' should give the RoC some of her territory back in exchange for recognision?

I think he's trying to say that if the RoC doesn't agree to a two-state solution Turkey will exterminate all the Turkish Cypriots.

A word of advice to MrH. If you intend to blackmail us - make sure your hostage is someone we give a damn about!!!

That reminds me of an old film, Blazing Saddles (?) where a character holds a revolver to his own temple and threatens to pull the trigger if his conditions aren't met...

[Get Real!]

...the way to frame the discussion should be the price needed to be paid to Cyprus in terms of territory, trade and even security guarantees by a collection of EU states and Russia that will enable it to accept the North's independence.

There are not one but TWO fierce obstructions to the creation of a TC state. The first of course is the RoC (the internationally recognized legitimate owner of the entire island) and the second is Turkey (the occupying power that will want to have any spoils for herself) so I really cannot see how 50,000 virtually obsolete and utterly reliant people, are going to overcome or outsmart these two forces and get their way!

In fact I’d rather put my money on the odds of two meters of snow piling up in Nicosia in the middle of August than the creation of a TC state!

[CBBB]

Finally, if, and if, the Greek Cypriot had an inch of brains and decided to Recognise A Turkish Cypriot State in the North and it went through smoothly, that part would immediately be a part of the EU,

Why would it immediately be a part of the EU? It would have to apply for membership just like any other state, and I seem to think we could veto its application.

[kimon07]

Finally, if, and if, the Greek Cypriot had an inch of brains and decided to Recognise A Turkish Cypriot State in the North and it went through smoothly, that part would immediately be a part of the EU,

And thus, 70 million Turks would have the chance to become EU citizens through the back door, i.e., by acquiring the citizenship of the northern state en mass. The real Trojan horse for the complete submission of Europe to the Anatolians. What a joke!