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[Main_Source]

Do you support the unconditional right of return of TCs refugees willing to live as RoC citizens, and if so why is the RoC still preventing this from happening?

Yes I do support the return of TC as RoC citizens...but in order for them to return to their old property, the regime in the north is going to have to be a lot more coperative in GC land...because many GC refugees are living on previously TC owned land. Therefore, in order for the TC to go back to ther old land, the GC refugees will have to be able to go back to their old land...but they cant because there is either a settler from Turkey there, or the house has been demolished, or the GC refuses to live under the Turkish regime. Also, Talat refuses to halt the development of GC land...so that is another problem we will have to deal with.

Therefore, I dont know why TC cant become RoC citizens...maybe its because this gives them the unconditional right to return to there old property but because there are GC refugees from the north living there, who have nowhere to go but to ther eold property which is being occupied...then this is all like one big backlog which needs to be sorted very carefully.

While answering this question please keep in mind that individuals can only be responsible for their own actions, and cannot be held responsible for the actions of communities or countries

Exactly, so why should a tiny minority of EOKA B idiots be responsible for many GC refugees. Tell that to Turkey.

[bg_turk]

In short you do NOT support the fundamental human right of Cypriot Citizens to return to their homes NOW no matter how loyal they are to the RoC, because of their ethnicity since you hold them responsible for the actions of the whole community and country to which they are related only by ethnicity. In fact you undermine the legal rights of RoC citizens to suit the political interests of your own community. And you insist on FULL RETURN TO LEGALITY while you are denying it to your own citizens?

[BirKibrisli]

Piratis, please watch your words!
You too support the ethnic cleansing of turks from the South by denying their UNCONDITIONAL return to their home. You army performed ethnic cleansing on all Turks in the South, even those that did not support the occupation could not stay behind. Because of your actions now almost every second turkish cypriot is a refugee

Who has ever said that they dont want TC..or any Cypriot for that matter, to return to their rightful homes...the only person I can remember who said this over and over gain is VP.

The army did not perform ethnic cleansing on all TC in the South, many fled out of fear...either from the EOKA B militia or the ultra partionist Turkish Cypriot militia...the TMT.

and lets get it straight, people in Cyprus are refugees BECAUSE OF THE TURKISH OCCUPATION...its TURKEY who has made so many Cypriots refugees, stop twisting the truth for the sake of 'Turkish greatness' and Ataturk your insane leader.

First a friendly caution,Main_Source,
Refrain from making negative comments about Ataturk.For most Turks/Turkish Cypriots that is like waving a red flag to a bull.You will get nothing but abuse and insults back.Ataturk was not insane.He was a great leader,and a visionary...for his people.If Turkey is negotiating for EU ascention it is all because of Ataturk's reforms,nothing to do with the present "Warmly Islamic" government of Erdogan.
Second,I don't know what happened after 1974 but you are right,those of us who left the South before 1974 did it out of fear of Eoka (we didn't know about Eoka A or B at that stage) which was fueled by "friendly advice" from the TMT.This does'nt make us less of a refugee,and I feel those tens of thousands of people from both communities who self-exiled themselves betwen 1964 and 1974 have largely been forgotten.We didn't want to leave our country,our homes,we felt we had to.And we left in tears,if you must know.

[sadik]

But the fact of the matter is that racists and their racist rhetoric are tolerated in the GC society. They are not only tolerated but also encouraged by some political parties, military and the church.

Crap. If racism WAS tolerated, the GC in question who attacked a TC would not have been prosecuted on multiple charges. Also, I have never been to church and heard racism preached...only to stick up for our rights. This sounds like more fairy tale Turkish propagande that we hear over and over again.

Your society have created a ficticious line between the Turks and the Turkish Cypriots. Turks are all cruel, barbaric murderers and rapists, but Turkish Cypriots are like us, they are our compatriots. If this propoganda is to continue, it's for certain that the ficticious line between the evil Turks and compatriot Turkish Cyriots will not hold, and is not holding. This evil Turks rhetoric needs to stop, it's making TCs targets to fanatics because for them there is not difference between Turks and TCs.

LOL...Are you going to blame US for this as well. Listen, you want to speak to TC who separate themselves from Turks from Turkey first. I find it amazing how you can blame GC for this!!!! Maybe Turks should sit down and look at the real realtionship between themselves and TC before blaming GC for causing this. What a load of bollocks.

90% of Turkish Cypriots I have spoken to totally differenciate themselves from mainland Turks. Maybe its the Turkish fanatics that make TC want to separate themslves from Turks...how the f*ck can you blame GC for this. Isnt there some mainland Turk occupied villages in there north where TC are made to feel not welcome? Maybe you should get your media propaganda machine to examine this too,

Main_source,

I'm not part of anyones propoganda machine. What I'm saying is this:

* Racist rhetoric (not racist attacks) about Turks are being tolarated by most and encouraged by some in the GC society.

* But for many Greek Cypriots, and especially for fanatics, a TC=Turk.

* If TCs and GCs are going to live together, this rhetoric about Turks should not be tolerated either, because, in the end, this rhetoric is causing hatered towards TCs and provoking attacks.

I know many GCs and this is my observation. I'm not trying to blame, I'm making a criticism as someone who wants to see Cyprus unified.

[Anglo]

There's a lot of truth in what you say - any doubters should just read the transcripts of the court case involving the TC's attacked in Nicosia and the Troodos... I think Cyprus Mail is the source.

[Alexis]

Remember though that this works the other way too.
I have had many experiences, particularly with people from mainland Turkey, who believe that Greek Cypriots are barbaric and who for this reason have reacted to me with nothing short of contempt.
Then again, I do not hold this against all Turks or Turkish Cypriots I meet, many of whom have treated me with respect despite knowing my ethnic background.

[bg_turk]

Remember though that this works the other way too.
I have had many experiences, particularly with people from mainland Turkey, who believe that Greek Cypriots are barbaric and who for this reason have reacted to me with nothing short of contempt.
Then again, I do not hold this against all Turks or Turkish Cypriots I meet, many of whom have treated me with respect despite knowing my ethnic background.

Of course, racsim should be uprooted everywhere. But to me it seems racist attitudes are much more prevalent in the South, since there are a few examples of racial crimes against TCs, whereas I cannot think of any similar crimes in the north since the opening of the checkpoints. Of course I mean crimes comitted by civilians, I am well aware of the crimes committed by the military forces.

[garbitsch]

Bg, actually I remember an event which a Turk/T.C (I do not know exactly) had crushed his car to a Greek Cypriot's. Apparently the T.C guy started beating the G.C guy. It was mentioned in Afrika newspaper I guess.

[bg_turk]

Bg, actually I remember an event which a Turk/T.C (I do not know exactly) had crushed his car to a Greek Cypriot's. Apparently the T.C guy started beating the G.C guy. It was mentioned in Afrika newspaper I guess.

well, I retract my above statement then.

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

There's a lot of truth in what you say - any doubters should just read the transcripts of the court case involving the TC's attacked in Nicosia and the Troodos... I think Cyprus Mail is the source.

I was present at all of those hearings and I can tell you that the Cyprus mail is by far the most exaggerated source.[/b]