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Do Turkish Cypriots want a United Cyprus?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:18 am

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Birkibrisli thank you for your positive comments but when you are faced with a barrage of insults thrown at you what do you do? What I am trying to convey happens in all societies the TRNC included but our GC neightbours have problems comprehending that it happens in the south, yet contradicting themselves they openly declaring that they to hire cheap labour when the opportunity arises. Turkish Cypriots are not employed as lawyers, architects, bankers etc they are mainly employed by the construction sector as manual labour and paid under the going rates, this is called cheap labour like it or not andytandreou.


I am sure you don't need my advice,Viewpoint,put since you asked I'll venture an opinion. When people attack you personally you can take it as a compliment.They don't feel they can attack your argument's logic or points.That's why they attack you.Just keep on arguing your points with the passion and energy that you show.If I could give you one little advice,try to look deeper within yourself when you are replying to something really emotional.To see if your response is automatic,coming from some predetermined script,or do you really believe what you are saying based on facts and logic.And remember,nothing is as black or white as we think,there are plenty of shades of grey and blue and orange and green and...you know what I mean?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:19 am

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Postby andytandreou » Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:02 pm

Birkibrisli, i fully understand what you're trying to say and a respect your opinions. However I started this thread in good faith and it's been turned to a battleground by viewpoint et al. Don't forget that my question originally was "Do T/C's want a united Cyprus?"

Viewpoint, from now and on we should try and focus on one small aspect if we are going to have a civilized discussion.

I get the feeling that you think Cyprus is a backward, third word, un european, dictatorship with no rules, no respect for human rights, a horrible place to live, filled with Greek Cypriots ready to kill anyone who is remotely foreign!!

I don't know if you've ever been to South Cyprus but you really have no idea what it's all about.

You seem to think Turkish Cypriots are being exploited but you don't see the other side of the coin. In fact viewpoint, you NEVER see the other side of the coin. Your attitude towards this forum is to make Southern Cypriots look bad and it's more than evident when you reply to me.

How can you say that Turkish Cypriots aren't being employed as lawyers or doctors? Isn't this the dumbest thing you ever heard? Did anyone tell you Cyprus has a major shortage of doctors or nurses or lawyers? Why should we employ foreign workers or T/Cs when there are enormous waiting lists of people already hoping to get a job in the most well paid sectors of the economy.


When foreign workers started going to the UK did they start working in the police or as lawyers? NO THEY DIDN'T!!!!! They started working where they where needed the most. Then once they where fully accepted into the ecosystem they became lawyers and doctors and the like... Why on earth should anybody give a high paying job to a foreigner? A job which requires enormous amounts of training, especially since the foreigner isn't even living in Cyprus, or doesn't plan to stay very long?

What pisses me off about you viewpoint is that you emphatically insist that we should live apart and be separated by a border, yet you believe that Cyprus should continue to provide T/Cypriots with Passports, health care, pensions, jobs, free electricity (which the TRNC charges you for), European citizenship, unemployment benefits and anything else afforded to Citizens of the Republic of Cyprus. IF you believe we should live apart then at least ponder how your life would change without the daily injections of life that are given to Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots.
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:24 pm

Viewpoint, from now and on we should try and focus on one small aspect if we are going to have a civilized discussion.


good to give it a try

What pisses me off about you viewpoint..

but try just a little bit harder :)

as to the point... as birkibrisli said, it is not matter of gc and tc but simple capitalism. thats how it works. and i guess the settlers are being used the same way. its bad, but that how the world is run.

Why on earth should anybody give a high paying job to a foreigner?

because he is good enough.
the rea big capitalism, is not that racist. it would pay anyone enough money if he is good enough

What pisses me off about you viewpoint is that you emphatically insist that we should live apart and be separated by a border, yet you believe that Cyprus should continue to provide T/Cypriots with Passports, health care, pensions, jobs, free electricity (which the TRNC charges you for), European citizenship, unemployment benefits and anything else afforded to Citizens of the Republic of Cyprus. IF you believe we should live apart then at least ponder how your life would change without the daily injections of life that are given to Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots.


it doesnt matter what vp believes. we have to provide these things bc tcs are our compatriots. if not, then we can not convince anyone that the RoC represents everybody. even if some tcs take advantage of it, we still have no choise.
and as for vp... i guess he is already pissed enough from our generosity that he will not ask for it..

and above all...stop this with the free health care. i am even getting pissed with it. its just a human thing to do. period.

I get the feeling that you think Cyprus is a backward, third word, un european, dictatorship with no rules, no respect for human rights, a horrible place to live, filled with Greek Cypriots ready to kill anyone who is remotely foreign!!

if he gets provoked... i guess vp replies the same way back :)
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Postby bg_turk » Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:38 pm

Piratis wrote:Viewpoint, you as the defender of the barbaric acts of Turkey and the ethnic cleansing that you performed against Greek Cypriots should be the last person on earth to give lectures to others.
At the very moment we speak you are exploiting the homes and lands of people that you either killed or forced to abandon their properties.


Piratis, please watch your words!
You too support the ethnic cleansing of turks from the South by denying their UNCONDITIONAL return to their home. You army performed ethnic cleansing on all Turks in the South, even those that did not support the occupation could not stay behind. Because of your actions now almost every second turkish cypriot is a refugee.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:43 pm

Piratis, please watch your words!
You too support the ethnic cleansing of turks from the South by denying their UNCONDITIONAL return to their home. You army performed ethnic cleansing on all Turks in the South, even those that did not support the occupation could not stay behind. Because of your actions now almost every second turkish cypriot is a refugee.


The TCs run to the north to grab the twice as much land that the Turkish army took from us. The dream of partition by the TCs has been there for decades before 74. Read a bit more about Cyprus history before you make such stupid comments.

If the TCs want to return to the lands that they were before 74, then why the great majority of them supports the separation of TCs and GCs into 2 countries or 2 states?

GCs were forced to leave from their homes. The great majority of TCs left in order to realize their dream. A dream that they still insist on, which is the reason why refugees still exist. If TCs accepted legality then no refugee would exist today.
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Postby Main_Source » Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:44 pm

Piratis, please watch your words!
You too support the ethnic cleansing of turks from the South by denying their UNCONDITIONAL return to their home. You army performed ethnic cleansing on all Turks in the South, even those that did not support the occupation could not stay behind. Because of your actions now almost every second turkish cypriot is a refugee


Who has ever said that they dont want TC..or any Cypriot for that matter, to return to their rightful homes...the only person I can remember who said this over and over gain is VP.

The army did not perform ethnic cleansing on all TC in the South, many fled out of fear...either from the EOKA B militia or the ultra partionist Turkish Cypriot militia...the TMT.

and lets get it straight, people in Cyprus are refugees BECAUSE OF THE TURKISH OCCUPATION...its TURKEY who has made so many Cypriots refugees, stop twisting the truth for the sake of 'Turkish greatness' and Ataturk your insane leader.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:28 pm

andytandreou
However I started this thread in good faith and it's been turned to a battleground by viewpoint et al. Don't forget that my question originally was "Do T/C's want a united Cyprus?"


Why do you have problems with views that do not match yours? you are the one using personal insults to try and downgrade and belittle my viewpoint.

Viewpoint, from now and on we should try and focus on one small aspect if we are going to have a civilized discussion.


If you refrain from hurling abuse and stick to arguing your point then we will have a civilized discussion.

I get the feeling that you think Cyprus is a backward, third word, un european, dictatorship with no rules, no respect for human rights, a horrible place to live, filled with Greek Cypriots ready to kill anyone who is remotely foreign!!

I don't know if you've ever been to South Cyprus but you really have no idea what it's all about.


I have been to the south many times and I have even visited Athens, have you been to North Cyprus or to Ankara or Istanbul?? I am well travelled and educated so I do know what its about as you put it.

You seem to think Turkish Cypriots are being exploited but you don't see the other side of the coin. In fact viewpoint, you NEVER see the other side of the coin. Your attitude towards this forum is to make Southern Cypriots look bad and it's more than evident when you reply to me.


It appears you read my posts but dont actually understand them I have always stated that both communities we to blame for where we are today, both communities messed up big time.
If you feel my comments make GCs look bad then surely you should question if what Im saying is right, it appears to hit a nerve which is obviously alive and very sensative but all you seem to do is automatically dismiss anything I have to say, saying im a bigot and a buffoon etc etc, hurling abuse will not help us understand each others concerns and ideas.

How can you say that Turkish Cypriots aren't being employed as lawyers or doctors? Isn't this the dumbest thing you ever heard? Did anyone tell you Cyprus has a major shortage of doctors or nurses or lawyers? Why should we employ foreign workers or T/Cs when there are enormous waiting lists of people already hoping to get a job in the most well paid sectors of the economy.


Surely it should be the best man for the job. not related to ethnic backround as you suggest thats called discrimination or being racist.

When foreign workers started going to the UK did they start working in the police or as lawyers? NO THEY DIDN'T!!!!! They started working where they where needed the most. Then once they where fully accepted into the ecosystem they became lawyers and doctors and the like... Why on earth should anybody give a high paying job to a foreigner? A job which requires enormous amounts of training, especially since the foreigner isn't even living in Cyprus, or doesn't plan to stay very long


But they got the same wages as the English man doing the same job and developed into more well paid positions with greater responsiblity and standing. Where do you think the TCs are going other than being labourers and cleaners, doing those jobs which GC dont want to do for lower wages thus being classed cheap labour.

What pisses me off about you viewpoint is that you emphatically insist that we should live apart and be separated by a border, yet you believe that Cyprus should continue to provide T/Cypriots with Passports, health care, pensions, jobs, free electricity (which the TRNC charges you for), European citizenship, unemployment benefits and anything else afforded to Citizens of the Republic of Cyprus. IF you believe we should live apart then at least ponder how your life would change without the daily injections of life that are given to Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots.


Now I really believe you are not even bothering to read and digest my posts as you do not know my opinions at all and I will inivite other forum members to comment on the above post if they feel it warrants a response as I do not feel it does.
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Postby Main_Source » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:00 pm

But they got the same wages as the English man doing the same job and developed into more well paid positions with greater responsiblity and standing. Where do you think the TCs are going other than being labourers and cleaners, doing those jobs which GC dont want to do for lower wages thus being classed cheap labour.



CRAP!!! You are talking shit. When the immigrants first came to the UK...all they were given were shit jobs. It's through hard work that immigrants began to make a better livign for themselves.

VP with his assumptions again :roll:
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Postby bg_turk » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:39 pm

Main_Source wrote:Who has ever said that they dont want TC..or any Cypriot for that matter, to return to their rightful homes...


Do you support the unconditional right of return of TCs refugees willing to live as RoC citizens, and if so why is the RoC still preventing this from happening?

While answering this question please keep in mind that individuals can only be responsible for their own actions, and cannot be held responsible for the actions of communities or countries.
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