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[Viewpoint]

Well said bg_turk, but andytandreou can never see this fact.

[Bananiot]

So, the Cypriots that went by the tens of thousands to the UK in the 50's and 60's and after the war in 1974, should have been paid in ... piastres (about 5 shillings per month or even 5 times that) because this is what they were earning in Cyprus. Fine logic by the person who is outside the box, whatever in heaven he means by this.

What about Piratis's logic? The English kill foxes, why should't we kill ampelopoulia? Hope your judgements on the Cyprus issue aren't formulated on the same principle, Piratis!

[bg_turk]

Well said bg_turk, but andytandreou can never see this fact.

Viewpoint,

for the sake of fairness we must also acknowledge the situation in the TRNC. It doesn't seem to be much better. Many of the guest workers from Turkey, most of them from kurdish origin, live under very bad conditions with no proper shelter and they do obtain a very low pay, much lower than what TCs would obtain. Before having the moral right to criticize the south, TCs need to solve their problems with the turkish workers as well.

[BirKibrisli]

Well said bg_turk, but andytandreou can never see this fact.

Viewpoint,

for the sake of fairness we must also acknowledge the situation in the TRNC. It doesn't seem to be much better. Many of the guest workers from Turkey, most of them from kurdish origin, live under very bad conditions with no proper shelter and they do obtain a very low pay, much lower than what TCs would obtain. Before having the moral right to criticize the south, TCs need to solve their problems with the turkish workers as well.

Bad boy,Very bad-boy bg_turk,

People from Kurdish origin?What are you talking about?They are Turks from the mountains of Eastern Turkey,or Mountain Turks as we call them.
Go on tell him off,Viewpoint.How dare bg_turk tries to be fair!Bad boy.

[bg_turk]

Well said bg_turk, but andytandreou can never see this fact.

Viewpoint,

for the sake of fairness we must also acknowledge the situation in the TRNC. It doesn't seem to be much better. Many of the guest workers from Turkey, most of them from kurdish origin, live under very bad conditions with no proper shelter and they do obtain a very low pay, much lower than what TCs would obtain. Before having the moral right to criticize the south, TCs need to solve their problems with the turkish workers as well.

Bad boy,Very bad-boy bg_turk,

People from Kurdish origin?What are you talking about?They are Turks from the mountains of Eastern Turkey,or Mountain Turks as we call them.
Go on tell him off,Viewpoint.How dare bg_turk tries to be fair!Bad boy.

Birkibrisli,
i think your irony is exaggerated here. Nobody apart from the MHP and the eccentric nationalist Bahceli calls kurds mountain-turks any more and Erdogan in fact went as far as referring to the problem in the south-east as a "Kurdish Problem". Which of course is in stark contrast to the attitude displayed by a neighbouring EU country, which still refers to its Turkish minority as "muslim greeks".

[Bananiot]

Generally speaking, people that find critism wrong, do not do any service to their country in the long run. Without critism the world would grind to a hault. It would be a horrible place to live and people that lived or still live in totalitarian regimes can testify to this.

[Main_Source]

Bananiot, anything that is of Greek Cypriot origin, all you can do is criticize.

[Viewpoint]

Well said bg_turk, but andytandreou can never see this fact.

Viewpoint,

for the sake of fairness we must also acknowledge the situation in the TRNC. It doesn't seem to be much better. Many of the guest workers from Turkey, most of them from kurdish origin, live under very bad conditions with no proper shelter and they do obtain a very low pay, much lower than what TCs would obtain. Before having the moral right to criticize the south, TCs need to solve their problems with the turkish workers as well.

You are right and I agree but Im not the one claiming that foreign workers in the the south including TCs are paid fairly and are not cheap labour or treated without discrimination.

[bg_turk]

Bananiot, anything that is of Greek Cypriot origin, all you can do is criticize.

Probably, it is because he loves everything of Greek Cypriot origin so much more, that he has to criticize it for its future good . I am sure you will be grateful to him in the future.

[andytandreou]

So, the Cypriots that went by the tens of thousands to the UK in the 50's and 60's and after the war in 1974, should have been paid in ... piastres (about 5 shillings per month or even 5 times that) because this is what they were earning in Cyprus. Fine logic by the person who is outside the box, whatever in heaven he means by this.

Bananiot again you fail to convince and ONCE AGAIN VIEWPOINT rushes to support bigoted and racist logic simply because it makes him happy.

Let me totally dispel your logic of racism in the workplace once and for all:

Consider the problem of HB-1 visas in the United States, which where created to open the doors to scientists and keep the US economy competitive by eliminating shortages of "smart" people. The raging argument at the moment is that the HB-1 visas are being used to bring in "smart" people from developing countries and these people in turn are replacing highly-paid Americans and causing unemployment. So what does this tell us about the most advanced economy on the planet? That they are racists? That they hire foreigners just to pay them less? Well, according to your logic the USA is among the most racist countries in the world!!! (notice the three exclamation marks)

A guy came to my shop today and told me that he would clean the windows for 10 pounds. He sounded Russian and I quickly agreed as the company that usually does them charges £50 pounds a go. You can imagine how happy i was and you can imagine that the Russian was also happy because he found work. In the end the only one who wasn't happy was the Cypriot company which I called and cancelled my contract with.

The above proves that foreigners are a form of leverage to counter rising wages in Europe at the expense of locals. Cypriots earn a lot and some groups (like government employees and construction workers) are earning so much that they are pushing up inflation and causing rising prices in many other sectors like tourism. Foreigners (and T/Cypriots) will always be paid less because that is the way the world works and nobody can change that.

Turkish Cypriots are happy because they get paid more than they do in the North. Greek Cypriot employers are happy because they keep costs down, the economy grows healthily and inflation stays low and eventually everybody is better-off. The only people who might suffer are the Greek Cypriot workers who are always the first to get laid off or simply can't find a job in sectors now swamped by foreign workers.

The above also shows how Bananiot and VP have no good intentions. They are only here to stir trouble and this is more than evident from their narrow field of view. It's a shame that you can't have a broad-minded and unbiased conversation with these two.