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[Agios Amvrosios]

The UN is not in a huge rush to make a fool of itself again.

The UN will have to do its homework this time rather than relying on Lord hannay and friends' crib notes.

[Piratis]

Never overestimatae your own kind Piratis, even GCs are ordinary human beings, they will not waste their lifetime in the name of your sacred greek cypriot nationalism, all human being care for is their rights be guaranteed, if it is a pseudo-state or a state it does not matter that much. People would rather live in their ancestral lands under the pseudo puppet, rather than listen to your recurring "pseudo" rhetoric.

Of course people want to live in their ancestral lands. But they also need a legal secure state that respects human rights. The "TRNC" will never become legal. This is why even TCs themselves have RoC citizenship and RoC passports.
That said there are already some GCs (some old ones that managed to survive) that live in the occupied areas. I don't see why if more (or even all) refugees live in their land that would mean that occupation does not exist. When the Ottomans occupied Greece, or when the Germans occupied Europe, did it change anything that the population was still there?
The occupation is an occupation, "TRNC" is illegal, and what you say, even if we assume it happens, it will not change this fact.

That is why today TRNC should treat GCs with respect, so that if the balance of power is to ever change TCs should at least be able to expect a similar attitude.

And you are sure that a similar attitude is going to be satisfactory for the TCs? What you say simply ensures that the circle of blood will never end.

[Viewpoint]

Never overestimatae your own kind Piratis, even GCs are ordinary human beings, they will not waste their lifetime in the name of your sacred greek cypriot nationalism, all human being care for is their rights be guaranteed, if it is a pseudo-state or a state it does not matter that much. People would rather live in their ancestral lands under the pseudo puppet, rather than listen to your recurring "pseudo" rhetoric.

Of course people want to live in their ancestral lands. But they also need a legal secure state that respects human rights. The "TRNC" will never become legal. This is why even TCs themselves have RoC citizenship and RoC passports.
That said there are already some GCs (some old ones that managed to survive) that live in the occupied areas. I don't see why if more (or even all) refugees live in their land that would mean that occupation does not exist. When the Ottomans occupied Greece, or when the Germans occupied Europe, did it change anything that the population was still there?
The occupation is an occupation, "TRNC" is illegal, and what you say, even if we assume it happens, it will not change this fact.

That is why today TRNC should treat GCs with respect, so that if the balance of power is to ever change TCs should at least be able to expect a similar attitude.

And you are sure that a similar attitude is going to be satisfactory for the TCs? What you say simply ensures that the circle of blood will never end.

Views are changing Piratis try to keep up with them, if GC administration continue with their current hardline tactics and lack of positive outlook towards a solution the international platform will find new ways of tackling the current stalemate. Playing the EU card will only prolong inaction and bring consequences which will be irreversable in 5 to 10 years time. A TRNC with everything but recognition??? Will the south then have the balance of power in its favour?

[bg_turk]

When the Ottomans occupied Greece, or when the Germans occupied Europe, did it change anything that the population was still there?

No because their aim was not assimilation. Ottomans may have tax, may have been cruel oftentimes, but they respected ethnic diversity, and they never sought to impose their culture. But Greece did have a successful assimilation campain in Northern Greece.
A few days ago I met a greek from Salonique, and he said his grandparents could speak bulgarian, but they never used it. They were ashamed of it, and did not want to be accused of being bulgarian. They were proud greeks instead. Could they have been bulgarian once upon a time?
When the right policies are in place, you would be surprised how easy it is to assimilate people.
They will become proud citizens of Pseudopuppetlandia.

[lysi]

I think it is the mainland turks who now control the occupied north that are preventing the few turkish cypriots left to not reunite cyprus.
The turks are making to much money from stolen greek land, casinos and brothels and drugs to want to hand back the north.

[Main_Source]

They were ashamed of it, and did not want to be accused of being bulgarian. They were proud greeks instead. Could they have been bulgarian once upon a time?

Do you know how many of the older TC generation speak Greek!?

[Omer Seyhan]

Hello,Viewpoint,
I am sorry if some of my ideas and beliefs are upsetting you.
The key to my thinking is that we need to put the past behind us to find a solution.Sticking to the same old arguments will get us nowhere.
Yes,I do believe that given our shared experience of the past 55 years,the Rof C can work this time around.If the GCs agree to take us back they will know that for a lot of TCs this would be a major compromise from where we are today.We would be giving up the possibility of having our own state one day,which was a cherished dream for a lot of TCs,I know.But the other key to my thinking is that we cannot build a just and peaceful solution on GCs resentment and bitterness.We were and we are a minority in Cyprus,so why should we expect to be treated any other way.What do we know about the status of the Maronites and Armenians?Aren't they living peacefully with their fellow Cypriots in the South?Are they oppressed or prosecuted by the majority?

Yes,I do believe we took the ball and ran to Mummy in 1963.We could have stayed and fight for our legitimate rights via the existing international laws and quarantees,couldn't we?But maybe that didn't suit us because what we really wanted was Partition.

And do you really believe the GCs did not have the military might to wipe us from the face of the earth,if they wanted to between 1963 and 1974?
And if they didn't doesn't that prove we could stand on our own two feet without raising the flag and running into Turkey's arms?
Are you happy and proud as a TC to admit that "we would have been fucked to put it mildly" without Mummy's help, that we are not capable of looking after ourselves?
Believe me,Viewpoint,the front of my computer is not a very comfortable place.I love my country and I miss my country terribly. After racking my brain for years I came to the conclusions I came about Cyprus and the possible lasting solution.My experiences in the past 30 odd years in Australia were obviously decisive in shaping my opinions. I no longer need to hide behind my ethnic origins in seeking a solution.I no longer believe that the majority of GCs are ready and waiting to drink my blood the moment Turkish Army leaves Cyprus.That is our fundamental difference,imo.

The old you was good!

[Viewpoint]

Thats before he understood that GCs have not changed one iota from their this is a greek island mentality.

[paliometoxo]

why because the turks have? cyprus is turkish we need two states crap? both sides are just as bad as each other the older generation.. cyprus is not greek or turk

[Omer Seyhan]

Thats before he understood that GCs have not changed one iota from their this is a greek island mentality.

That's the biggest pile of bull I've ever heard. I know so many Greek speaking Cypriots who are a million light miles ahead of most people.

There is an element of racism here though which I want to highlight. You live in the UK right right? and BirKibrisli in Australia, if you both met a Greek or Greek speaking Cypriot person would you treat them differently to any other nationality? What's your view of Black or Asian people? Are they all the 'same'?