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[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

Patriotism, birkibrisli, patriotism. The patron of the saying is the great Samuel Johnson. Scoundrels resort to patriotism when they run out of arguments and of course, who can talk back to patriotic jargon without risking of being branded a traitor. In Cyprus we have many traitors ....

In line with that statement it is safe to assume then that during the entire history of human civilisation we have never had any real patriots!

[GreekPatriot2]

Can somebody give me some concrete suggestions to the question of Cyorus

[UKTurk]

Well the Turkish Cypriots voted for the Annan Plan which was to unite Cyprus.

The Greek "Cypriots" didn't. So the question that should be asked is 'do the Greek "Cypriots" want a united Cyprus???

[Bananiot]

The current leadership of the GC's prefers partition to BBF, IMO.

[Main_Source]

Bananiot, your James Dean rebel opinions are of no real value.

[Piratis]

Well the Turkish Cypriots voted for the Annan Plan which was to unite Cyprus.

Wrong. The TCs voted for Annan partition plan which was to legalize the division on the island.

Therefore the question is indeed: Do Turkish Cypriots want a united Cyprus and they voted the Annan plan simply because Turkey didn't allow unity as an alternative, or partition is what the majority of TCs want, and this is why they liked the Annan partition plan?

The current leadership of the GC's prefers partition to BBF, IMO.

The current leadership has no problem with a form of BBF that would respect the human and democratic rights of everybody. What we have a problem with is not BBF, but the violation of our human and democratic rights that comes from the proposed "BBC" (Bi-zonal Bi-communal Confederation).

I will tell you a BBF that would be fine:
The north state has a size of no more than 18%. If all TCs choose to live in that state (since they are the ones who insist on this form of separation) then even if ALL GCs return to their homes and even if more GCs become residents of the northern state, the TCs will remain the big majority there.
Then the country as a whole functions as a true federation (other examples of Federations are USA, Russia) made by two states.

So what we have is
Bizonal (just 2 zones, not more)
Bicommual (each community is the controlling majority in each state)
Federation (it functions on the same principles as other Federations)

No problem. So don't tell me that we don't accept BBF because we don't accept your version of BBF that is actually a "BBC" and its full with human rights violations!

I repeat: what we do not accept is our human and democratic rights violations. BBF is possible to happen with no (or very very small amount) such violations, and this is the kind of BBF we accept.

If you expect from us to accept the violations of our human and democratic rights then no, we will not.

[bg_turk]

The TCs voted for Annan partition plan which was to legalize the division on the island.

The Annan Plan is dead and void, Piratis. If you believe Turkish Cypriots would make so many concessions again you must be kidding yourself. The Annan Plan did not meet enough of the TC security concerns and it is unacceptable in its current form.

[Main_Source]

The Annan Plan is dead and void, Piratis. If you believe Turkish Cypriots would make so many concessions again you must be kidding yourself

Are you kidding!? are you telling me the Annan plan was unfair on TC!? lol

[bg_turk]

The Annan Plan is dead and void, Piratis. If you believe Turkish Cypriots would make so many concessions again you must be kidding yourself

Are you kidding!? are you telling me the Annan plan was unfair on TC!? lol

The Annan Plan will never again be accepted by Turkish Cypriots. The oppportunity was there - you could either take it or leave it. You chose to leave it. TCs have no obligations towards that plan any more, and they cannot by any means be forced to accept it in the future.

[Main_Source]

You havent even BEEN to Cyprus ya c*nt...what are you talking about. You read a couple of ridiculous bullsh!t websites and you think you know the general views of Turkish Cypriots!? You aint even Turkish Cypriot yourself!! lol...I know English beergut lager louts who have more of an affiliation with Cyprus than you. Get real.