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[kimon07]

From The Telegraph letters page online:

SIR – Tomorrow, the Republic of Cyprus takes over the presidency of the European Union, yet Turkish Cypriots will once again be out in the cold.

In April 2004, 65 per cent of Turkish Cypriots said “yes” to the Annan Plan that would have facilitated a united Cyprus entering the European Union. Seventy-six per cent of Greek Cypriots voted against the plan they had jointly drawn up. As a result, a divided island joined the EU in May 2004, with membership suspended in the northern third.

Greek Cypriots have since used their veto powers to block promises made by Günter Verheugen, the former EU commissioner, and others “to put an end to the isolation of Turkish Cypriots”.

Four generations have been denied simple pleasures such as friendly games of international football, which are banned. Even direct trade with other EU members is prohibited. What possible legal or moral justification can there be for any of this?

In the absence of a political solution, we call on Britain, as a guarantor power in Cyprus, to lead the rest of the world in acknowledging that the Republic of Cyprus does not represent those living in northern Cyprus, and to use its influence to help Turkish Cypriots secure the rights that Greek Cypriots have enjoyed for decades.

Baroness Ludford MEP (Lib Dem)
Air Chief Marshal Sir Michael Graydon
Lord Maginnis of Drumglass
Sir Graham Watson MEP (Lib Dem)
Michael Cashman MEP (Lab)
Chris Davies MEP (Lib Dem)
Baroness Hussein-Ece
Billy Hayes
General Secretary, Communication Workers Union
Simon Woolley
Co-Founder, Operation Black Vote
Hussein Chalayan
Martina Cole
Alp Mehmet
Former British ambassador to Iceland
Emel Djevdet
Chairman, Embargoed!

Dear ignorant/thieving/bribed ...."xcellencies"

This piece below was found on the net by our distinguished member Bill Cobbet. Please read it and tell us if you ass...es know better than the Tiuurkish Cypriots themselves:

bill cobbett wrote:

The Trades Unionists CYs in the Occupied Areas have come out in condemnation of the Brussels stunt organised and paid for by the Illegal Regime.

This is how their reaction is reported...

Turkish Cypriot organizations evaluated the protest in Brussels: “Serving Turkey’s separatist policies is unbecoming to us”
Under the title “Serving Republic of Turkey’s separatist policies is unbecoming to us”, Kibris Postasi news website (28.06.12) reported that ten Turkish Cypriot trade unions, KTOS, KTOEOS, BES, KTAMS, TIP-IS, BASIN-SEN, CAG-SEN, DAU-BIRSEN, KOOP-SEN and GUC-SEN issued a joint statement on Thursday, evaluating the protest organized by the Economic Organizations’ Platform in Brussels the day before yesterday.

According to the statement, in response to “the Greek Cypriot’s not wanting to share the Republic of Cyprus with the Turkish Cypriots since 1963”, Turkey exerts intensive efforts to make the division of the island permanent by using its collaborators in the occupied northern part of Cyprus. The statement adds, inter alia, the following:

“…Because of the two-faced policy that is followed, the Turkish Cypriots are dragged towards annihilation. This mentality, which declares ‘traitors of the country’ the Turkish Cypriots who exert efforts for the solution and the unification of our island, which makes use of the solution processes as an opportunity serving division and which made the Greek Cypriots member of the EU, is now trying to deceive the world with the lie of ‘embargo and isolation’…”

Accusing Turkish Cypriot leader Eroglu of trying to strengthen the division of Cyprus at the negotiating table upon instructions from the Foreign Ministry of Turkey, the statement says that UBP self-styled government serves Ankara’s plans for assimilating and integrating the occupied part of Cyprus.

The organizations describe as an “egregious contradiction” the fact that on the one hand the regime prohibited the passports of the Republic of Cyprus showing as pretext the Cypriot EU term presidency, and on the other representatives of civilian organizations carrying passports of the Republic of Cyprus flew to Brussels on two airplanes paid by the regime in order to protest against the “embargoes and the isolations”.

“You are the ones who implement the embargo and the isolation, but you are also the ones who pay the money for an event to protest against them”, note the organizations referring to officials from Turkey and the breakaway regime. “This is a complete two-faced policy”, they add.

The organizations conclude their statement by noting the following: “We do not need someone to hire a plane for us in order to go to Brussels and defend the communal rights of the Turkish Cypriots. It should be known that there are enough puppet administrators in the northern part of our island. Serving the Republic of Turkey’s separatist false policies is unbecoming to us”.

Meanwhile, Turkish Cypriot daily Ortam newspaper (29.06.12) reports that representatives of KTOS, KTOEOS, BES, KTAMS, TIP-IS, BASIN-SEN, CAG-SEN, DAU-BIRSEN, KOOP-SEN and GUC-SEN trade unions held a protest outside the “assembly” of the breakaway regime yesterday morning against the activity organized in Brussels. During the protest they opened banners saying “The Turkish Cypriots do not accept being subordinate administration to Turkey”, “EU, Act now against the Turkish Cypriot extinction”, “Solution now: Independent, United, Federal Cyprus” and “Turkey, Respect the Will of the Turkish Cypriots”.

In statements to the press after the protest, Tahir Cokcebel, chairman of KTOEOS, said that the activity in Brussels was organized with passports of the Republic of Cyprus, with money of the “state” and “airplanes of the regime”. He expressed the view that the participants in that activity do not represent the Turkish Cypriots.

[kimon07]

I believe the reasoning was first put forward by Kimon, so the circumstantial evidence is as follows:.....

You are clutching at straws, you can twist figures around to suit your aims just look at Greece you have to look at the end result the north said YES and the south said NO...that put the GC south in bad light as the world knows it was a plan prepared by the UN.

Lets put aside the "circumstantial" evidence and look at facts, i.e., actual total valid votes in both parts of the island:


Referendum 2004 results:

______________VALID VOTES
_______________South_____North_____Total
_______________428,587 + 124,963 = 553,550
No:____________313,704 + 41,973 = 355,677 66.70%
Yes:____________99,976 + 77,646 = 177,622 33.30%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_An ... 04#Results

So, even counting the settlers, the majority of the inhabitants of the island who voted NO comes to 66.70%.

Does that look like twisting figures to you?

[humanist]

SIR – Tomorrow, the Republic of Cyprus takes over the presidency of the European Union, yet Turkish Cypriots will once again be out in the cold.

Don't worry halil Turkey is looking after ya .... your not out in the cold. The people who are out in the cold are the people whose homes have been stolen from them for settlers from Turkey to live in'

[Viewpoint]

I believe the reasoning was first put forward by Kimon, so the circumstantial evidence is as follows:.....

You are clutching at straws, you can twist figures around to suit your aims just look at Greece you have to look at the end result the north said YES and the south said NO...that put the GC south in bad light as the world knows it was a plan prepared by the UN.

Lets put aside the "circumstantial" evidence and look at facts, i.e., actual total valid votes in both parts of the island:


Referendum 2004 results:

______________VALID VOTES
_______________South_____North_____Total
_______________428,587 + 124,963 = 553,550
No:____________313,704 + 41,973 = 355,677 66.70%
Yes:____________99,976 + 77,646 = 177,622 33.30%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_An ... 04#Results

So, even counting the settlers, the majority of the inhabitants of the island who voted NO comes to 66.70%.

Does that look like twisting figures to you?

Wrong there are two sides not one and each side has 50% weight.

[Nikitas]

Viwepoint, the master of distortion writes:

"you GCs have stolen our rights "

As a Famagustian I get the urge to puke when I read this kind of bullshit. I cannot even visit my home town, and this person, living in stolen lands, talks about rights. Twelve thousand TCs come south to work everyday, while not a single GC is allowed to run a kiosk in the north, and they talk of rights.

This is the kind of rights envisaged in the Annan trap, which is why it was rejected.

Hard as you might try to project your myths about these "rights", the only thing Chrstofias has to do is to point to the north and tell any EU official, "I was born there". Then he can take them for a drive around to see all the TC registered cars in the south, and the workers crossing at t check points, and the care offered at Nicosia General, the pensions office. Then he can have them visit the GCs at Rizokarpaso. Or the Properties Commission. The rest simply falls into place.

[GreekIslandGirl]

I believe the reasoning was first put forward by Kimon, so the circumstantial evidence is as follows:.....

You are clutching at straws, you can twist figures around to suit your aims just look at Greece you have to look at the end result the north said YES and the south said NO...that put the GC south in bad light as the world knows it was a plan prepared by the UN.

Lets put aside the "circumstantial" evidence and look at facts, i.e., actual total valid votes in both parts of the island:


Referendum 2004 results:

______________VALID VOTES
_______________South_____North_____Total
_______________428,587 + 124,963 = 553,550
No:____________313,704 + 41,973 = 355,677 66.70%
Yes:____________99,976 + 77,646 = 177,622 33.30%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_An ... 04#Results

So, even counting the settlers, the majority of the inhabitants of the island who voted NO comes to 66.70%.

Does that look like twisting figures to you?

Wrong there are two sides not one and each side has 50% weight.

Don't respond to this idiot.

[yorgozlu]

who has stolen what from who is not realy relevant to the fact that 'we' are quite happy giving our country to force accupier at our own will...............or so it seems.

[bill cobbett]

Yes, bottom line today, leaving aside all the history for a while and perhaps leaving it out permanently, is the Occupation... there can be no settlement of our little problem as long as Turkey sticks its oar in, in the massive way it does, promotes its interests and agenda by maintaining the Occupation.

The very simple phrases "Asihktir Turkiye" and "Aysha Go Home" unite soooooo many CYs.

[Maximus]

Yes, bottom line today, leaving aside all the history for a while and perhaps leaving it out permanently, is the Occupation... there can be no settlement of our little problem as long as Turkey sticks its oar in, in the massive way it does, promotes its interests and agenda by maintaining the Occupation.

The very simple phrases "Asihktir Turkiye" and "Aysha Go Home" unite soooooo many CYs.

then litigation starts.

[repulsewarrior]

Viwepoint, the master of distortion writes:

"you GCs have stolen our rights "

As a Famagustian I get the urge to puke when I read this kind of bullshit. I cannot even visit my home town, and this person, living in stolen lands, talks about rights. Twelve thousand TCs come south to work everyday, while not a single GC is allowed to run a kiosk in the north, and they talk of rights.

This is the kind of rights envisaged in the Annan trap, which is why it was rejected.

Hard as you might try to project your myths about these "rights", the only thing Chrstofias has to do is to point to the north and tell any EU official, "I was born there". Then he can take them for a drive around to see all the TC registered cars in the south, and the workers crossing at t check points, and the care offered at Nicosia General, the pensions office. Then he can have them visit the GCs at Rizokarpaso. Or the Properties Commission. The rest simply falls into place.

...well said Nikitas.

...and the bottom line is that the occupation by the Turkish Army has dealt a blow not just to all Cypriots, yet they remain denied, even recognition by Turkey, as though they don't (never) exist(ed). it suits this interlocutor to treat Cyprus as though it is property, ignoring what is as Mankind says, a People; what is "Turkish", and what is not: except for the fact that it is all illegal by any standard.

@Maximus, wot? if i say Turkish Army out of Cyprus, someone will sue me?