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[humanist]

Mr Ed

Halil,

as someone who presents himself as a respectable peacemaker with cosy coffee mornings in the occupied areas, I am stunned that you would post blatant lies.

Mr Ed why would you think this man to be peace loving? I had him sussed out back in 2007.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Turkish Cypriot plight ... huh?

The only people I have ever met who have felt genuine care for the TC plight were GCs (a few remain).

I have NEVER met a Turk who care sabout TCs. I have NEVER met a Brit who cares about TCs. Americans, Australians ... caring about TCs? Joke!

I have NEVER met anyone who cares about "Turkish Cypriot plight" but for a few Greek Cypriots ....

There's your answer TCs ...

Your only friends are the Greeks you hate!

[Viewpoint]

Halil,

as someone who presents himself as a respectable peacemaker with cosy coffee mornings in the occupied areas, I am stunned that you would post blatant lies.

Deception 1

The TC FA, the RoC and EUFA in a meeting chaired by none other Michel Platini brokered a deal where teams in the occupied area could play international football. This was blocked by Turkey.

Deception 2

TCs are a minority in the occupied areas, so to present the yes vote of the Annan plan as an exclusive TC yes vote is another deception. It can be statistically shown that ethnic TCs probably voted NO in the Annan plan and the bulk of the yes vote was from Turkish settlers.

The RoC is not blackmailing anyone. You obviously have issue with the fact that the minority TC veto can no longer be used to blackmail the majority of RoC citizens.

Ed you have no understanding of Turkish Cypriot politics.
Incredible that you are saying that the settlers will vote for the Annan plan and not the Turkish Cypriots. Care to give any evidence even if it is circumstantial one.

I have heard it all before and according to you the sun goes around the earth too. Back to church my friend.

I believe the reasoning was first put forward by Kimon, so the circumstantial evidence is as follows:

1) The TC leadership was opposed to the Annan plan, including Denktash.

2) Here's the math breakdown of the 65% yes vote of the occupied territory.

Assume a very conservative TC/settler ethnic split is 50%-50% although we know the TC % is much lower than this.

Assume Turkey was pro-Annan and all settlers voted YES so that accounts for 50% out of the 65% YES vote.

Assume TCs followed their leadership and this means the TCs vote accounts for 15% YES (65%-50% settler vote) and 35% NO.

So, taking together the fact that the TC leadership were against and Turkey pro-Annan, excluding the settler vote 30% of ethnic TCs voted yes and 70% voted NO.

The TC NO vote would be even higher if there was more honesty about how many TCs there actually are in the occupied territory as they are less than 50% of those that voted on the Annan plan.

What's rich is that the TCs are now using the yes vote in a lame attempt score political point, when it can be demonstrated that they probably voted a big fat NO.

You are clutching at straws, you can twist figures around to suit your aims just look at Greece you have to look at the end result the north said YES and the south said NO...that put the GC south in bad light as the world knows it was a plan prepared by the UN.

[CBBB]

Halil,

as someone who presents himself as a respectable peacemaker with cosy coffee mornings in the occupied areas, I am stunned that you would post blatant lies.

Deception 1

The TC FA, the RoC and EUFA in a meeting chaired by none other Michel Platini brokered a deal where teams in the occupied area could play international football. This was blocked by Turkey.

Deception 2

TCs are a minority in the occupied areas, so to present the yes vote of the Annan plan as an exclusive TC yes vote is another deception. It can be statistically shown that ethnic TCs probably voted NO in the Annan plan and the bulk of the yes vote was from Turkish settlers.

The RoC is not blackmailing anyone. You obviously have issue with the fact that the minority TC veto can no longer be used to blackmail the majority of RoC citizens.

Ed you have no understanding of Turkish Cypriot politics.
Incredible that you are saying that the settlers will vote for the Annan plan and not the Turkish Cypriots. Care to give any evidence even if it is circumstantial one.

I have heard it all before and according to you the sun goes around the earth too. Back to church my friend.

I believe the reasoning was first put forward by Kimon, so the circumstantial evidence is as follows:

1) The TC leadership was opposed to the Annan plan, including Denktash.

2) Here's the math breakdown of the 65% yes vote of the occupied territory.

Assume a very conservative TC/settler ethnic split is 50%-50% although we know the TC % is much lower than this.

Assume Turkey was pro-Annan and all settlers voted YES so that accounts for 50% out of the 65% YES vote.

Assume TCs followed their leadership and this means the TCs vote accounts for 15% YES (65%-50% settler vote) and 35% NO.

So, taking together the fact that the TC leadership were against and Turkey pro-Annan, excluding the settler vote 30% of ethnic TCs voted yes and 70% voted NO.

The TC NO vote would be even higher if there was more honesty about how many TCs there actually are in the occupied territory as they are less than 50% of those that voted on the Annan plan.

What's rich is that the TCs are now using the yes vote in a lame attempt score political point, when it can be demonstrated that they probably voted a big fat NO.

You are clutching at straws, you can twist figures around to suit your aims just look at Greece you have to look at the end result the north said YES and the south said NO...that put the GC south in bad light as the world knows it was a plan prepared by the US.

[Viewpoint]

Were you trying to make a point BBC?

[Hermes]

you have to look at the end result the north said YES and the south said NO...that put the GC south in bad light as the world knows it was a plan prepared by the UN.

I'm sorry, VP. But that 2004 initiative didn't last for very long. Today it is Turkey which is seen as the main obstacle to peace and progress on the island. If you don't know this then you don't know what is going on in Europe and America right now where the GCs are the good guys these days. It might look different inside your Turkish bubble but believe me - nobody thinks that Erdogan and Eroglu are committed to a just solution for Cyprus. Nobody.

[Me Ed]

VP,

The only twisting of figures is by Turkey by illegally importing settlers into the occupied territory and therefore fixing the vote in their favour.

Whilst the "north" voted yes, it's a deception to describe it as a Turkish Cypriot yes vote as in the opening letter in this thread.

Turkish Cypriot President Rauf Denktaş responded to the referendum outcome by declaring that, with the Annan Plan rejected, his "no" campaign had reached its objective.

The Turkish Settlers voted yes, the Cypriots both in the free and occupied areas voted a resounding NO, the numbers simply don't support a TC yes vote.

[kurupetos]

Were you trying to make a point BBC?

You cannot view it.

[repulsewarrior]

Turkish Cypriot plight ... huh?

The only people I have ever met who have felt genuine care for the TC plight were GCs (a few remain).

I have NEVER met a Turk who care sabout TCs. I have NEVER met a Brit who cares about TCs. Americans, Australians ... caring about TCs? Joke!

I have NEVER met anyone who cares about "Turkish Cypriot plight" but for a few Greek Cypriots ....

There's your answer TCs ...

Your only friends are the Greeks you hate!

...if you are Cypriot, this IS the case, especially if you saw what was, before being subjected to the Proxy War, so-called, of "Greeks" and "Turks".

...indeed, whether Greek or Turk, we were Cypriots. unlike now where Cypriot seems impossible to communicate because if you are not a so called Turkish Cypriot, you must be a so called Greek Cypriot, and if you are a Greek you are a "Greek", and if you are a Turk, through the endless generalisation of blame, you too are disliked, receiving this treatment by association, as "Turks" (or as a "Greek" lover).

profound, thank-you Ms.O.

the Turkish Cypriot plight is that they have an ethnography which is in the process of moving toward extinction only after about 350 years. without our awareness of this terrible loss to a Patrimony which has always thrived as multicultural, without our efforts to preserve the island's ethnosphere, quite frankly, it won't be long before even Greek is overwhelmed by great equalisers, like English; if we (Greeks) as a vast majority can demonstrate respect and awareness toward a much smaller minority (Turks) within this Society, we prepare for our own struggle as a small minority, understanding the facts which include the changing demographics of future growth, and the demands that will be placed on us in our social-exchange, individually, and as markets.

[wyoming cowboy]

Turkish Cypriot plight ... huh?

The only people I have ever met who have felt genuine care for the TC plight were GCs (a few remain).

I have NEVER met a Turk who care sabout TCs. I have NEVER met a Brit who cares about TCs. Americans, Australians ... caring about TCs? Joke!

I have NEVER met anyone who cares about "Turkish Cypriot plight" but for a few Greek Cypriots ....

There's your answer TCs ...

Your only friends are the Greeks you hate!

...if you are Cypriot, this IS the case, especially if you saw what was, before being subjected to the Proxy War, so-called, of "Greeks" and "Turks".

...indeed, whether Greek or Turk, we were Cypriots. unlike now where Cypriot seems impossible to communicate because if you are not a so called Turkish Cypriot, you must be a so called Greek Cypriot, and if you are a Greek you are a "Greek", and if you are a Turk, through the endless generalisation of blame, you too are disliked, receiving this treatment by association, as "Turks" (or as a "Greek" lover).

profound, thank-you Ms.O.

the Turkish Cypriot plight is that they have an ethnography which is in the process of moving toward extinction only after about 350 years. without our awareness of this terrible loss to a Patrimony which has always thrived as multicultural, without our efforts to preserve the island's ethnosphere, quite frankly, it won't be long before even Greek is overwhelmed by great equalisers, like English; if we (Greeks) as a vast majority can demonstrate respect and awareness toward a much smaller minority (Turks) within this Society, we prepare for our own struggle as a small minority, understanding the facts which include the changing demographics of future growth, and the demands that will be placed on us in our social-exchange, individually, and as markets.

RW, before the Brits implemented the divide and conquer policy on Cyprus, in the mid 50's, there was definitely as you say ".....respect and awareness toward a much smaller minority with in Society"....ethnicity wasnot an issue. Emphasizing that there is an issue with" ethnicity" puts a serious road block, in reconciliation among the ethnic groups. That's the problem I have with the neo-Cypriots, they are re enforcing the stereotypes, that the Tc have been fed for the past 60 years, which began with the British imperialists. They want the Greek Cypriots to shed "Greek" in order to get closer to the Tc, whats next shedding Orthodox Christianity. Cyprus is so small that any outside power could turn the conflict into a religious one if they choose. The quest should be to rebuild the trust and respect that existed prior to the brits "divide and conquer" policy. If there was a precedent in the past which shows us that Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots lived on Cyprus peacefully and productively then that's where our focus should be. I even consider the concept of "neo cypriot" demeaning not only to me but towards the Turkish Cypriots.