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[Hermes]

I post this for discussion. It's really for the benefit of Turkish Cypriots who don't seem to understand that a federal solution is not a two-state solution.

1.The bi-zonal aspect of a reunification plan does not mean a two-state confederation, but rather means reunifying the Turkish-Cypriots with the original and legitimate government of the island - the Republic of Cyprus - which would itself offer a fair and viable administration.

2. Whether you call it the RoC or the United Cyprus Federation doesn't really matter, what counts is fair representation for all communities that make up Cyprus' population.

3. UN resolutions talk about a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation based on political equality. Clinging to the idea of legalising the 'TRNC' - or two-states - is one of the reasons negotiations have been going nowhere. This has not happened for 37 years, there's no reason for it to happen anytime soon.

[humanist]

Hermes, that is too intelligent for some people to get ............change your post lol

[repulsewarrior]

Hermes, there will always exist a Rebublic of Cyprus whether it is Bicommunal and/or Bizonal, or not.

a Turkish Constituency, equal to any other Cypriot Constituency, including that of the Grecophones' is key, if we recognise the importance of sustaining ethnospheres, this is the choice as Cypriots, Sovereign as one State, can make, different to the "motherlands" and their status quo.

in terms of efficiency, i prefer the State freed from the bias of having to represent the majority of its voters as Greeks, they are all Individuals, served without this distinction and or discrimination, as Human Beings united, toward defending the Principals for all of them that are Universal; but this requires the existence of a Community that willfully gives up the presence of a State, representing itself instead as Greek Cypriots within a National Assembly where its electors choose the specific needs they have toward sustaining themselves as Persons, not unlike the other National Identities that have a Heritance as dear to them, on this island.

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

...count them, three identities.

[Viewpoint]

Hermes, there will always exist a Rebublic of Cyprus whether it is Bicommunal and/or Bizonal, or not.

a Turkish Constituency, equal to any other Cypriot Constituency, including that of the Grecophones' is key, if we recognise the importance of sustaining ethnospheres, this is the choice as Cypriots, Sovereign as one State, can make, different to the "motherlands" and their status quo.

in terms of efficiency, i prefer the State freed from the bias of having to represent the majority of its voters as Greeks, they are all Individuals, served without this distinction and or discrimination, as Human Beings united, toward defending the Principals for all of them that are Universal; but this requires the existence of a Community that willfully gives up the presence of a State, representing itself instead as Greek Cypriots within a National Assembly where its electors choose the specific needs they have toward sustaining themselves as Persons, not unlike the other National Identities that have a Heritance as dear to them, on this island.

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

...count them, three identities.

Thank you for telling people that there will 2 states under a federal roof with one international identity and political equality of the 2 states.

[kimon07]

Hermes, there will always exist a Rebublic of Cyprus whether it is Bicommunal and/or Bizonal, or not.

a Turkish Constituency, equal to any other Cypriot Constituency, including that of the Grecophones ....

Grecophones?

...and I suppose: Turkophones? Armenophones? Maronitophones? Latinophones? Neocypriotphones (those pronouncing τωρά as "dora")?

and soon maybe Kinezophones, Pakistanophones, Africanophones, Bulgarophones, Rossophones, Srilankophones, Bangladeshiphones, Indianophones Arabophones Eskimophones.

All genuine Cypriots I presume?

Very FRANCOLEVANTINOPHONE way of thinking if you ask me.

[repulsewarrior]

...will you agree with me, vp, that as equals, the same sort of self-representation should be given to Maronites, Armenians, and Latins, as well?

...will you agree, if Sovereignty was not the issue, that these National Assemblies could arrive at a unanimous conclusion, when it comes to their Jurisdictions territorially?

...will you agree that the displaced from '63 and '74 should be recognised, so that at least for some they return as they left, as communities?

i hope others are prepared to support such bold steps.

@ kimon, and why not. what is wrong with Greeks serving their daily needs as a People apart from the Republic?. what is wrong with the other People on this island given the same respect. indeed, when the population is twelve million, about 180 years from now, Cyprus as a State will be much different, all the more reason to consider its fragile ethnosphere and how to sustain them. we live in the Information Age, it is a question of bits and bytes; yes i prefer a society that can communicate to its global partners in their own mother tongues, a facilitator for this social-exchange. i hope that Cypriots will take their Official Languages to a level of quality where they are transparent to many languages, and not just to each other.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Cyprus is a unitary democratic state. That means ONE. Any dissenters are free to leave.

No 'extra' communities. No second languages. No separate states.

Nice and simple ...

[repulsewarrior]

Cyprus is a unitary democratic state. That means ONE. Any dissenters are free to leave.

No 'extra' communities. No second languages. No separate states.

Nice and simple ...

i suppose you mean, for Cypriots, this unitary democratic state, ONE, as you say, any dissenters free to leave.

convenient perhaps to the vast majority indeed who are Greeks, but why not English as THE Official Language...

...afterall, "Nice and simple", it is money/power, "No 'extra' communities. No second languages. No separate states", we are talking about isn't it?.

[wyoming cowboy]

I post this for discussion. It's really for the benefit of Turkish Cypriots who don't seem to understand that a federal solution is not a two-state solution.

1.The bi-zonal aspect of a reunification plan does not mean a two-state confederation, but rather means reunifying the Turkish-Cypriots with the original and legitimate government of the island - the Republic of Cyprus - which would itself offer a fair and viable administration.

2. Whether you call it the RoC or the United Cyprus Federation doesn't really matter, what counts is fair representation for all communities that make up Cyprus' population.

3. UN resolutions talk about a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation based on political equality. Clinging to the idea of legalising the 'TRNC' - or two-states - is one of the reasons negotiations have been going nowhere. This has not happened for 37 years, there's no reason for it to happen anytime soon.

What the majority of "Tc" want, whatever is left of them, is not a democratic solution, like Vp keeps saying they want "checks and balances" that in essence takes away the democratic aspect of a country and creates aparteid, separation and mistrust among the two communities..."separate but equal" connotations of a segregated society.....These are all antiquated ways of thinking....which the Tc leadership began back in the 50's and 60's and continues to this day...

[Get Real!]

I post this for discussion. It's really for the benefit of Turkish Cypriots who don't seem to understand that a federal solution is not a two-state solution.

I doubt it matters any more. I really don't expect Cyprus talks to ever be held again at the community level (ie: GC vs TC) like we had seen in the past, but rather a more direct and international approach between Cyprus and Turkey. The reasons for this are many and include the fact that…

1. Previous community talks have proven useless beyond any reasonable doubt, and there’s currently not a single GC politician interested in a repeat. If there’s one thing they are now unanimous about is that community talks are useless.

2. The RoC’s political weight has increased while that of Turkey has decreased. (Israel has for the first time openly admitted that trading Turkey’s alliance for that of the RoC; and hence EU, is more beneficial for them). There won’t be a return for Israel it seems.

3. The TC community has faded into obscurity not only because their leaders have been foolishly representing Ankara instead of themselves all these years, but also because of the emerging unity of settlers hungry for power and in direct competition with TCs.

4. The RoC’s current presidency will make them privy to future EU agendas (and the manipulation thereof) giving them considerable advantage in dealing with Turkey.

5. The E.Med’s hydrocarbon alliance will be taking a more protagonist role by 2013 (which is the earliest time possible that any CyProb talks could take place) but Cyprus will have gone through a tough year of austerity measures so their primary concern will be to cash in on their finds not useless community talks!

6. To make things worse foolish Eroglu has been instructed by Ankara to make any future talks impossible with even more unacceptable demands as the basis of any future talks which you can read about here…

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkis ... sCatID=338

Eroglu actually thinks he can afford to make such statements!


As far as I can see community talks are well and truly over!