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Re: The Meaning of A Federal Solution

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:52 am

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Viewpoint wrote:Herpees the option you offer does not exceed the option of division, I have never made it a secret that I believe division is the best option under the circumstances that neither side really want union, what you put forward is not better than division or assimilation with Turkey. Go on impress us so that we TCs can really say wow union is a far better OPTION than division.....I have asked this question many times and not one person has come up with anything that would come close to answering the question.

Division might seem like the best option for you. Just as apartheid was seen as the best option for the racist Afrikaners in South Africa. The question is whether division is in the best interests of the majority of Cypriots and what sort of precedent this would set in international affairs if a state could be allowed to violate international law the way Turkey has done in Cyprus.

That is why the international community has decreed that division is not the right solution for Cyprus. Even if you think it is. Even the Afrikaners eventually realised that they only harmed themselves by insisting on racist privileges at the expense of democracy and peace...


...what is being asked by Mankind of Cypriots, is to define Bicommunal in a manner where it is a betterment to anyone who may emulate it. (Turkey, (allow me to get in my dig), is not capable of things new in thinking because, as a State it can be said that, she is still entering the Modern Age.) it is up Cypriots to lead, now passed and into the Information Age, with a nature that can nurture and sustain the variety of its population, unlike the Kemalists, but for them, so that their Citizens' can have the widest array of choices; i do go on, but seriously, will you please read my manifesto.

is simple, Bicommunal not bad.

Unitary State: Individual Rights, a Sovereign Identity for all Citizens

and at another level of governance...

Cypriot Constituencies: equals as Persons, within Territorial Jurisdictions self-representing these needs.

...guys, and ladies, don't forget, the population of Cyprus is bound to change significantly (so too the demographics) in the not so distant future, what is wrong with the People as Cypriots choosing, (pop. 12 million) by where they reside, to vote for a National Assembly which serves a Greek, Turk, Maronite, etc.,as a Majority first, (and in the future long term maybe more) and as such demonstrating their Goodwill to others as Minorities; vp are you reading? ...and what is wrong for all Cypriots to vote as Human Beings, when it comes to the Universal Principals we expect a State, and a Federal Government, to defend without any prejudice. ((vp has agreed to this, by the way; so he gets huffy because quite frankly you guys are huffy, never mind that he is huffy too.) he just doesn't believe GC's as he calls them are prepared to make the same compromise.)

is a Greek Constituecy such a bad thing?

Federal means, not a Greek State, but a Cypriot State, as in Bicommunal Bizonal; it is a question of interpretation and intent, that is all. i see no better way to defend the existing Constituencies, within a Sovereign Identity; a weight by land that its electors can effect as a Distinct Identity , while as Individuals they stand united for the betterment of the Human Condition.
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Re: The Meaning of A Federal Solution

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:05 pm

Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Herpees the option you offer does not exceed the option of division, I have never made it a secret that I believe division is the best option under the circumstances that neither side really want union, what you put forward is not better than division or assimilation with Turkey. Go on impress us so that we TCs can really say wow union is a far better OPTION than division.....I have asked this question many times and not one person has come up with anything that would come close to answering the question.

Division might seem like the best option for you. Just as apartheid was seen as the best option for the racist Afrikaners in South Africa. The question is whether division is in the best interests of the majority of Cypriots and what sort of precedent this would set in international affairs if a state could be allowed to violate international law the way Turkey has done in Cyprus.

That is why the international community has decreed that division is not the right solution for Cyprus. Even if you think it is. Even the Afrikaners eventually realised that they only harmed themselves by insisting on racist privileges at the expense of democracy and peace...


You are mixing apples pears again Apartheid in SA was practiced in a unitary state the same way you imposed it TCs from 1963 to 1974, if they had of divided Im sure they to would have enjoyed a peaceful tranquil existence just like us.
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Re: The Meaning of A Federal Solution

Postby CBBB » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:19 pm

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Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Herpees the option you offer does not exceed the option of division, I have never made it a secret that I believe division is the best option under the circumstances that neither side really want union, what you put forward is not better than division or assimilation with Turkey. Go on impress us so that we TCs can really say wow union is a far better OPTION than division.....I have asked this question many times and not one person has come up with anything that would come close to answering the question.

Division might seem like the best option for you. Just as apartheid was seen as the best option for the racist Afrikaners in South Africa. The question is whether division is in the best interests of the majority of Cypriots and what sort of precedent this would set in international affairs if a state could be allowed to violate international law the way Turkey has done in Cyprus.

That is why the international community has decreed that division is not the right solution for Cyprus. Even if you think it is. Even the Afrikaners eventually realised that they only harmed themselves by insisting on racist privileges at the expense of democracy and peace...


You are mixing apples pears again Apartheid in SA was practiced in a unitary state the same way you imposed it TCs from 1963 to 1974, if they had of divided Im sure they to would have enjoyed a peaceful tranquil existence just like us.


But they do now, in a unitary state.
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Re: The Meaning of A Federal Solution

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:31 pm

CBBB wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Herpees the option you offer does not exceed the option of division, I have never made it a secret that I believe division is the best option under the circumstances that neither side really want union, what you put forward is not better than division or assimilation with Turkey. Go on impress us so that we TCs can really say wow union is a far better OPTION than division.....I have asked this question many times and not one person has come up with anything that would come close to answering the question.

Division might seem like the best option for you. Just as apartheid was seen as the best option for the racist Afrikaners in South Africa. The question is whether division is in the best interests of the majority of Cypriots and what sort of precedent this would set in international affairs if a state could be allowed to violate international law the way Turkey has done in Cyprus.

That is why the international community has decreed that division is not the right solution for Cyprus. Even if you think it is. Even the Afrikaners eventually realised that they only harmed themselves by insisting on racist privileges at the expense of democracy and peace...


You are mixing apples pears again Apartheid in SA was practiced in a unitary state the same way you imposed it TCs from 1963 to 1974, if they had of divided Im sure they to would have enjoyed a peaceful tranquil existence just like us.


But they do now, in a unitary state.


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Re: The Meaning of A Federal Solution

Postby humanist » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:38 pm

Division might seem like the best option for you. Just as apartheid was seen as the best option for the racist Afrikaners in South Africa. The question is whether division is in the best interests of the majority of Cypriots and what sort of precedent this would set in international affairs if a state could be allowed to violate international law the way Turkey has done in Cyprus.


Hermes I think we also need to to hold TC's accountable for the Cyprus issue and not re-direct blame fully on Turkey. This 55,000 minority group not only have gifted OUR Country to the Turks they are running part of the culture of Cyprus which includes them as shaping Cyprus cultural identity and differentiating Cyprus from both Greece and Turkey.
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Re: The Meaning of A Federal Solution

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:45 pm

humanist wrote:
Division might seem like the best option for you. Just as apartheid was seen as the best option for the racist Afrikaners in South Africa. The question is whether division is in the best interests of the majority of Cypriots and what sort of precedent this would set in international affairs if a state could be allowed to violate international law the way Turkey has done in Cyprus.


Hermes I think we also need to to hold TC's accountable for the Cyprus issue and not re-direct blame fully on Turkey. This 55,000 minority group not only have gifted OUR Country to the Turks they are running part of the culture of Cyprus which includes them as shaping Cyprus cultural identity and differentiating Cyprus from both Greece and Turkey.


So it was OK for you because you failed but its not for us???? duh hypocrite.
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Re: The Meaning of A Federal Solution

Postby humanist » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:47 pm

not a hypocrite at all.... never wanted a divided Cyprus and never supported Enosis. I know my roots and they in Cyprus. No confusion there what so ever.
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Re: The Meaning of A Federal Solution

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:48 pm

humanist wrote:not a hypocrite at all.... never wanted a divided Cyprus and never supported Enosis. I know my roots and they in Cyprus. No confusion there what so ever.



You are just one person so you make no difference people on your side of the divide still claim Cyprus is Greece.
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Re: The Meaning of A Federal Solution

Postby Hermes » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:01 pm

humanist wrote:Hermes I think we also need to to hold TC's accountable for the Cyprus issue and not re-direct blame fully on Turkey. This 55,000 minority group not only have gifted OUR Country to the Turks they are running part of the culture of Cyprus which includes them as shaping Cyprus cultural identity and differentiating Cyprus from both Greece and Turkey.

Don't worry, humanist. They are paying for their betrayal with isolation, sanctions and a slow extinction. The strange thing is they now seem to have noticed that they lost their 'rights' under the RoC. I wonder if the RoC Pesidency has anything to do with this new found sense of what they have lost and what they have ceded to the Greek Cypriots?
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Re: The Meaning of A Federal Solution

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:08 pm

Hermes wrote:
humanist wrote:Hermes I think we also need to to hold TC's accountable for the Cyprus issue and not re-direct blame fully on Turkey. This 55,000 minority group not only have gifted OUR Country to the Turks they are running part of the culture of Cyprus which includes them as shaping Cyprus cultural identity and differentiating Cyprus from both Greece and Turkey.

Don't worry, humanist. They are paying for their betrayal with isolation, sanctions and a slow extinction. The strange thing is they now seem to have noticed that they lost their 'rights' under the RoC. I wonder if the RoC Pesidency has anything to do with this new found sense of what they have lost and what they have ceded to the Greek Cypriots?


:lol: You people are a donkey that thinks its a race horse and therefore the laughing stock of the EU.
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