Kifeas wrote:cypezokyli wrote:kifeas wrote
And I can assure you that Cyprus will not be alone on this issue, as it will have on its side the majority of the EU countries, especially the smaller ones, but even without adequate support it can perfectly to the job alone, by simply refusing to sign any further negotiating documents that relate to Turkey's accession so that the process enters into a stalemate. However, it will not be alone!
whether and who they ll veto turkey or not is sth that i cannot really say with certainty
but, i wouldnt expect cyprus alone (or even with greece) vetoing turkey at any point
I just cannot see why you maintain such a defeatist and phobic approach. What do you think it will happen if we are left alone and still insist that Turkey's accession process is frozen on the basis of principles and agreements, which all the rest of the EU countries have also agreed with?
Do not confuse the stance that Austria took and the pressure that was exercised towards her in order to back down. (In reality, Austria did not back down but it actually got what it wanted but in an indirect way.) Austria’s position was one that was based on purely political grounds. It was an issue of preference regarding what status should be given to Turkey. Cyprus argument is/will be much stronger. It will be based on already existing legal grounds, and an issue of implementing already pre-defined and pre-agreed issues. It is based on grounds on which the other European members cannot simply brush away and instead pressurise Cyprus to back down. They will not even have the right to do so, in the same way that they perfectly had in the case of Austria's political choices and preferences.
It will be impossible to impose a "european" solution, i.e. a unitary state, by the threat of a veto, which is what GCs are trying to do now. Of course negotiations will at some point reach a standstill, whether because of Cyprus or some other state like Austria or France. But GC will never dare use a veto or go too far in stopping turkish membership talks, becuase they realize very well that although the threat itself is a powerful weapon, the actual use of veto will mean the loss of that weapon.
It seems to me that the Greek Cypriot government at the moment is like a hostage taker trying to enforce its demands. It wants to impose as many demands as possible by threatening to kill the hosage, in this case Turkish membership, but doesn't really want to kill the hostage. Papadopuolos can shout "I'm gonna blow your head off" as much as he wants for domestic consumption but nobody really takes him that seriously. The majority of turks dont even care about the hostage as much as they care about the Cyprus cause. Besides killing the hostage wont only hurt Turkey, it will hurt some very powerfull EU states, and I am sure that Papadopoulos does not want to mess with them.
Besides if I were in your position I wouldnt rely too much on the other member states. The rejection of the Annan Plan has given you a very serious blow and most Europeans are mature enough to realize that the so-called Republic of Cyprus only represents the interests of GCs and the admission of GCyprus in its current form is seen as a colossal mistake. Ferheugen admitted that, and the following article in IHT also mentions it :
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/06/news/europa.php . The greek Republic of Cyprus has only caused the EU a lot of trouble, and has offered nothing in return. For how long is the EU going to tolerate that?
The only feasible way forward is that the Cyprus Problem is solved under UN auspice before Turkey joins.
Cmon, that's how he talks.
What I am trying to say, he is not in a position to represent all of the Greek nation. Look, Piratis is harsh to Turks as well, but I never saw him using such language. Besides I remember you calling these guys "animals". We should all keep our anger inside us. I sometimes use words which I wouldn't use it in the real life. Anyway, I guess you got my point.
