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[Main_Source]

lol...no Viewpoint....its a good example of MY inner mindest towards YOU.

Good try though, that was about as desparate as your other posts.

Kifeas, im just a man.

[Nickp]

Despite the conflicting views i think the GC's and TC's in this forum should treat each other with a bit more respect.

You can still be respectful and have a clash of views. It's called diplomacy!!!

Back to the issue, i agree, due to Cyprus's size they will have a limited influence in the EU with little effect on the big decisions.

However, i don't think it's that straight forward to think that as there will be occassions when they can play off other countries to back them for the wrong reasons. France urging Turkey to recognise Cyprus is a good example of this. Plust they also have Greece of which they usually follow Greece's lead in national politics, a larger player in the frame of things.

So i think you need to review the situation a bit more than just assuming at first sight that Cyprus will have very little influence within the EU. They could end up turning into a pain in the arse even worse than Austria.

[garbitsch]

Viewpoint

This is a very good example of the inner mindset of GCs towards TCs who are clearly ignorant and unreceptive to different viewpoints outside of their blinkered vision, it reeks of vengence, frightening...

I wouldn't go for a generalisation VP. It's just Main Source's attitude Cmon, that's how he talks.

[Main_Source]

yep

[bg_turk]

Piratis with this brain of yours dont you realize that most countries on the EU path get vetoed Uk got vetoed twice, they just correct themselves and continue, but what you must realize that it is in your best interests that Turkey continue on the EU path so the you may try and extract as many concessions as your heart desires, an end to Turkey EU aspirations would also mean an end to a solution for Cyprus.

Viewpoint, you might be very clever but never forget that we are at least as clever as you are.
Do you think we will veto Turkey tomorrow or after 6 months or after 1 year? Nooo!

We will block Turkey -assuming you did not become more sensible by then and decide to be more co-operative towards finding a solution, after 2, 3 or 4 years from now. Do you know why we will block Turkey after some time and while she is somewhere in the middle of her accession process? If you find the right answer, I will give you a nice expensive bottle of red wine from Pafos region as a gift. Send me your address and I will mail it to you.

Kifeas,

I am sure Turkey will get vetoed at some point during her accession talks. But I can assure you it will not be by Cyprus. Like yesterday, Cyprus will in fact be supporting Turkey in order to keep it tied to the EU. .

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint

This is a very good example of the inner mindset of GCs towards TCs who are clearly ignorant and unreceptive to different viewpoints outside of their blinkered vision, it reeks of vengence, frightening...

I wouldn't go for a generalisation VP. It's just Main Source's attitude Cmon, that's how he talks.

This is not acceptable and you should not be so tollerant, he may talk like that to his family and friends but this is a public forum where we are trying to be civilized and responding in a civlized manner, which is the minimum thats expected. Sometimes the inner thoughts of people escape through snide little comments like the one main_source revealed. It clearly states his need for vengence, in someway to get back or get even.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,

I am sure Turkey will get vetoed at some point during her accession talks. But I can assure you it will not be by Cyprus. Like yesterday, Cyprus will in fact be supporting Turkey in order to keep it tied to the EU. .

Nope! This is a very wrong assumption that not only you but also many Turks and TCs do and partly also the Turkish government. Cyprus may not react against Turkey's accession process in the very near future, because it is still too early. However, if you believe that Turkey will continue not to implement the customs union agreement (ports, airports, air space, etc,) it will continue denying and /or violating Cypriot's human rights in relation to their property rights in the north, it will continue colonising the north with settlers, it will continue to block RoC from international organisations and will continue maintaining the occupation in parts of it's territory, and still expect the RoC to facilitate Turkey's accession process and keep signing the opening and closing of her accession negotiation chapters, as if nothing is happening, then I am afraid you have serious misconceptions with regards to what the EU is all about. And I can assure you that Cyprus will not be alone on this issue, as it will have on its side the majority of the EU countries, especially the smaller ones, but even without adequate support it can perfectly to the job alone, by simply refusing to sign any further negotiating documents that relate to Turkey's accession so that the process enters into a stalemate. However, it will not be alone!

[cypezokyli]

kifeas wrote

And I can assure you that Cyprus will not be alone on this issue, as it will have on its side the majority of the EU countries, especially the smaller ones, but even without adequate support it can perfectly to the job alone, by simply refusing to sign any further negotiating documents that relate to Turkey's accession so that the process enters into a stalemate. However, it will not be alone!

whether and who they ll veto turkey or not is sth that i cannot really say with certainty
but, i wouldnt expect cyprus alone (or even with greece) vetoing turkey at any point

[Kifeas]

kifeas wrote

And I can assure you that Cyprus will not be alone on this issue, as it will have on its side the majority of the EU countries, especially the smaller ones, but even without adequate support it can perfectly to the job alone, by simply refusing to sign any further negotiating documents that relate to Turkey's accession so that the process enters into a stalemate. However, it will not be alone!

whether and who they ll veto turkey or not is sth that i cannot really say with certainty
but, i wouldnt expect cyprus alone (or even with greece) vetoing turkey at any point

I just cannot see why you maintain such a defeatist and phobic approach. What do you think it will happen if we are left alone and still insist that Turkey's accession process is frozen on the basis of principles and agreements, which all the rest of the EU countries have also agreed with?

Do not confuse the stance that Austria took and the pressure that was exercised towards her in order to back down. (In reality, Austria did not back down but it actually got what it wanted but in an indirect way.) Austria’s position was one that was based on purely political grounds. It was an issue of preference regarding what status should be given to Turkey. Cyprus argument is/will be much stronger. It will be based on already existing legal grounds, and an issue of implementing already pre-defined and pre-agreed issues. It is based on grounds on which the other European members cannot simply brush away and instead pressurise Cyprus to back down. They will not even have the right to do so, in the same way that they perfectly had in the case of Austria's political choices and preferences.

[Main_Source]

This is not acceptable and you should not be so tollerant, he may talk like that to his family and friends but this is a public forum where we are trying to be civilized and responding in a civlized manner, which is the minimum thats expected. Sometimes the inner thoughts of people escape through snide little comments like the one main_source revealed. It clearly states his need for vengence, in someway to get back or get even.

Your a headcase.