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[growuptcs]

Judgement day is finally here and theres no more time for bickering. Hope that you get with the program or just go your own way. These threats of walking away sounds like an infant not getting what he wants. If thats what they'll choose, so be it. But stop going on the a-plan please. That plan was put together in someones basement without caring about the GCs. Well that backfired didnt it. But the hardliners like Garbitch, Viewpoint and others, swear it was equal and still refer to it in their posts. They bring up events that happened over 30 years ago, while the rest of the world evolved.
Im considering that they are educated, in their posts that I'm reading from them. But what they're saying is against internatinal norms and holding a major grudge against GC's still to this judgement day. This post isn't about keeping a grudge upon one another. Its about softening your position on a day that your trying to get in the EU, with illegal tactics that your still trying to accomplish.

[Main_Source]

But the hardliners like Garbitch

A couple of months ago I wouldnt have called him a hardliner...

Hope that you get with the program

"Get with the program"..the last time I heard that phrase, I think I was practising my running man lol

[garbitsch]

First it is GarbitSch, second I am not a hardliner...

[garbitsch]

For many times I admitted that Annan plan was biased and if I were a G.C I would have voted No. Secondly, I always said I am for a gradual settlement, not a settlement that will come with a plan posed on us by the foreigners. Please just read what I write. I might be pissed off sometimes but I reject myself being categorised by the people who do not even know me.

[Kifeas]

For many times I admitted that Annan plan was biased and if I were a G.C I would have voted No. Secondly, I always said I am for a gradual settlement, not a settlement that will come with a plan posed on us by the foreigners. Please just read what I write. I might be pissed off sometimes but I reject myself being categorised by the people who do not even know me.

Garbitsch, why do you think the A-plan turned out to be biased and essentially non-acceptable for the GC side? Why such an opportunity to solve the Cyprus problem was so unfortunately lost due to presenting and proposing such a non-acceptable plan for one of the two sides, namely the GC one? Can you share your sincere opinion and judgement on this issue?

[Piratis]

growuptcs,

garbitsch, unlike viewpoint, is not a hardliner. He is simply annoyed that we are not willing to make additional compromises and he hardens his position as a reaction. I too can sound more hardline than what I really am when I get annoyed.

I always said I am for a gradual settlement, not a settlement that will come with a plan posed on us by the foreigners.

I too believe that this is necessary.
This is why I said many times that the first thing we have to agree are the main principles and what the end result should be. Then we will discuss the stages that will lead us better to this end result.

I believe that with people like garbitsch we can agree on the principles and the end result and our disagreement might be only on the implementation, which is something we can work on.

However with the hardliners, I believe it is impossible to agree on the principles and what the end result should be. This makes any discussion with them a waste of time.

[growuptcs]

Excuse me on that outburst.

[Viewpoint]

Come on guys do you think I am hardliner not that I have a problem with it but surely Piratis, Kifeas and Main_Source take joint first prize.

[Kifeas]

Come on guys do you think I am hardliner not that I have a problem with it but surely Piratis, Kifeas and Main_Source take joint first prize.

No Viewpoint, you are not a hardliner, you simply live up with illusions and misconceptions. You live with the misconception that we are still living in the era of the Ottoman Empire in which the big Turkish nation has the right to determine the lives of the small neighbouring nations and order them to serve its demands and wishes. You also live with the subconsciously engraved illusion that “one Turk equals the whole world,” which they made you sing every morning since your childhood, and which compels you to insist that because you are a Turk you must have more individual rights than any other Cypriot.

Wake up Viewpoint! Get real! Otherwise you will collapse in the same way that the Ottoman Empire collapsed in the past but which you unfortunately have not realised yet.

[Viewpoint]

Thank you for your kind words Kifeas.