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[B25]

Great, another reason for the TCs in the north to feel that the GCs dont wish them any good. Does anyone know if the hotels in question are owned and operated by TCs or mainlanders?

If mainlander then ok, but if TCs then why should they trust the GCs? Looks like this will continue to force the TC business to continue to seek custom from Turkey.

Long Live the Bash Patriots and Partition!

What a pathetic post, but then again you expect such trash from a carpetbagger.

The campaign was against the illegal occupied areas, not the TCs in particular, but as you have no problem supporting the illegal regime it has blinded you senses.

Supporting the illegal occupied areas is supporting Turkey to maintain a hold on us, is that too F difficult to understand, damn it.

B25,

Hurting TCs economically damages chances of a solution, is that too F difficult to understand, damn it.

I don't give a shit about their business, they and you are supporting an illegal regime period. 82% of the land in the north belongs to GCs, visitors do not have the permission of the legal owners to go on it. The TCs can pay their taxes to the RoC. You can't have it both ways, not contribute, get free everything AND expect to take tourists from the south, but like I keep saying once a carpet bagger, always a carpet bagger, now go F yourself, foreigner.

My family property was bought in 1968 and the mortgagee to Bank Of Cyprus has been paid. I am not a carpetbagger. I do not support the direction of the economy in the north - too dependent on Turkey and dodgy due to the casinos. But feel that things that hurt TC business in the north are counter productive.

I get the feeling that you don't give a shit about TCs and would do a Tohkni on them?

I dont give a shit about them or you for as long as this situation is in being. We've heard in previous posts about your so called purchased property in Bellapais and I couldn't give 2 Fs either. You are there, I am here, you support these illegal criminals I don't. End of Capish.
you talk abount tochini, why not talk about '74 when the turks massacred innocent GC men, women and children. Talk about the attrocities the British carried out in Cyprus against the GCs and in other Countries. Yeah, thats right arsehole let us talk about these, carpetbagger.

[Me Ed]

AWE,

Under the current policies implemented by Turkey in the occupied areas, Cypriots in the free areas (particularly those tens of thousands that had their lives wrecked by the invasion), don't have the luxury of vetting legitimate TC businesses or TCs entering or exiting the RoC through the illegal ports of entry.

Turkey has unnecessarily complicated the situation with the illegal importation of Turks on a mass scale and big Turkish business interests exploiting refugee's assets.

It is therefore wrong to perceive the GCs at fault when it's actually the Turks - that's what the sanctions are for as ratified by the international community.

[bill cobbett]

Well, perhaps before B25 answers that reh Awe, there is another question... to what extent is "tc" commercial activity independent of the Illegal Regime... ?

... but don't even those hotels (and they seem by the way to be small, long-established, family-run affairs on legitimate ancestral lands) who get this approval from the Republic pay taxes on profits, employ staff who pay taxes, pay purchase taxes on their goods etc etc and doesn't that tax money go in the end to the Illegal Regime and help sustain it...???

No business can operate in a region without being subject to the law of that area. As such even if their clients and staff are not mainlanders or settlers they will have to pay tax to the government of that area or face imprisonment etc. I guess it is easy for GCs to say that TCs should not undertake any activity in the north that may support the regime from the outside but a lot harder to TCs to actually do that. You are being disingenuous if you believe otherwise.

Now the Republic has no problem with people going about lawful business in the Occupied Areas and it's down on record that it advices visitors to avoid the Stolen Hotels and use only those on its lists which it sees as legitimately owned.

This list has in the past been proven inaccurate, Celebrity Hotel for instance. Do GCs use TC property in the South? If they do they TCs have the right to use GC property in the North in both cases pending a solution of course. Or would you have them live in penury?

To my knowledge there was a single error in the list.

[AWE]

Bill,

There is still an error on the list and it has been pointed out to the RoC but nothing has been done to my knowledge.

[B25]

Bill,

There is still an error on the list and it has been pointed out to the RoC but nothing has been done to my knowledge.

Ah didums, who gives a shit, Seriously AWE, you are pissing in the wind defending the indefensible. There 200,000 refugees waiting to go home and anyone done anything for them, and you are concern about a single typographical error FFS.

[bill cobbett]

Well, perhaps before B25 answers that reh Awe, there is another question... to what extent is "tc" commercial activity independent of the Illegal Regime... ?

... but don't even those hotels (and they seem by the way to be small, long-established, family-run affairs on legitimate ancestral lands) who get this approval from the Republic pay taxes on profits, employ staff who pay taxes, pay purchase taxes on their goods etc etc and doesn't that tax money go in the end to the Illegal Regime and help sustain it...???

No business can operate in a region without being subject to the law of that area. As such even if their clients and staff are not mainlanders or settlers they will have to pay tax to the government of that area or face imprisonment etc. I guess it is easy for GCs to say that TCs should not undertake any activity in the north that may support the regime from the outside but a lot harder to TCs to actually do that. You are being disingenuous if you believe otherwise.

Now the Republic has no problem with people going about lawful business in the Occupied Areas and it's down on record that it advices visitors to avoid the Stolen Hotels and use only those on its lists which it sees as legitimately owned.

This list has in the past been proven inaccurate, Celebrity Hotel for instance. Do GCs use TC property in the South? If they do they TCs have the right to use GC property in the North in both cases pending a solution of course. Or would you have them live in penury?

Awe, on the matter of the status of the Celebrity Hotel. This is the list that is doing the rounds, the ownership status of the Celebrity is down as "tc"...

http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index ... e&cid=1029

[bill cobbett]

There was other offensive material on the Aegean site by the way...

There was ref to "Northern Cyprus" and to "Southern Cyprus" and the names of of various locations in the occupied areas were given only in their turkified form. These are things which are very provocative to many.

[AWE]

Bill,

I know the list has Celebrity as TC, that is not the error. The error was pointed out to the RoC in 2005 and as far as I know they lawyer that did this is still awaiting acknowledgement of receipt of the letter.

The other refs on the Aegean site were offensive I agree. But the point stands the campaign has damaged TCs and not Turkey.

[bill cobbett]

Bill,

I know the list has Celebrity as TC, that is not the error. The error was pointed out to the RoC in 2005 and as far as I know they lawyer that did this is still awaiting acknowledgement of receipt of the letter.

The other refs on the Aegean site were offensive I agree. But the point stands the campaign has damaged TCs and not Turkey.

Some time ago did see that an error had been acknowledged by the Republic and amended with a foot-note, but cannot find it again or know which hotel was erroneously listed.

Think we should keep things in context, the hotels targeted have been around for generations, they've survived hard times and the effect on their business is gonna be pretty minor.

Yes, of course people need to earn a living... but too many have taken things a lot beyond necessity and gone in to unacceptable areas like claiming hotel businesses as now "theirs", for claiming land and property as "theirs" on the strength of dodgy "exchange" kochans. Not all by all means, but too many.

Awe, in any event, can we ask you seriously what do you expect people to do...? Doubtless you'll appreciate people's anger and frustration, how else do you expect people to react?