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YES to western common sense!

Postby kimon07 » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:37 pm

Turkish Cypriots should not be granted community status in reunited Cyprus, but rather enjoy equality as every Latin, Armenian, Maronite or Greek citizen of the Republic on a one-person-one-vote basis, with full respect of their human and cultural rights.

Your signature captures the 76% of 'NO' votes in the Anan plan by people from all walks of life, from the left to the right and beyond. It captures plain common sense, western common sense.

We need a simple message to give our party leaders, regardless who they may be for any of us. We need to lead them and for this we must not antagonize them.

But a mandate we must give them.

http://www.antifon.blogspot.gr/2011/09/ ... sense.html



The text of the Petition:

We, Cypriots & friends of Cyprus from all over the world,

wish to empower the Cypriot political leaders to demand a solution to the problem of Cyprus with Turkey based on international law & to seek to upgrade the Republic's constitution in accordance with universal truth and logic:

no community should be granted special status in the freed Cyprus Republic. Instead, every legal citizen of the country, whether of Latin, Armenian, Maronite, Turkish, Greek or other heritage, should be able to enjoy equality on a 'one-person, one-vote basis', with full respect of her/his human and cultural rights, as a proud citizen of the European Union.

Please help empower Cypriot political leaders by co-signing this petition & letting all your Cypriot and international friends to sign as well.

ClicK below to sign the petition
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freecyprus/
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Re: YES to western common sense!

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:50 pm

You cannot unilaterally take away our rights without our consent.
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Re: YES to western common sense!

Postby Hermes » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:29 pm

Viewpoint wrote:You cannot unilaterally take away our rights without our consent.


How can you claim rights in a country you don't recognise? Either you recognise the ROC as the legitimate government of the whole island or you have, by implication, withdrawn your consent. You cannot have it both ways.
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Re: YES to western common sense!

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:34 pm

Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:You cannot unilaterally take away our rights without our consent.


How can you claim rights in a country you don't recognise? Either you recognise the ROC as the legitimate government of the whole island or you have, by implication, withdrawn your consent. You cannot have it both ways.



You still dont get it do, you signed and agreement which in effect made us partners, that fact that we fought and separated and no longer live together does not take away from the fact that internationally we are still bound, the fact that you cannot understand that we do not the union in its current shape as workable so we want to separate but you refuse saying that you want to go back to how it was so you can be the majority dominate and do as you wish...thats why there has not been a solution in Cyprus and as long as you do not acknowledge that we are partners and have rights we will never find a solution.
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Re: YES to western common sense!

Postby Hermes » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:12 pm

Viewpoint wrote: you cannot understand that we do not the union in its current shape as workable so we want to separate but you refuse saying that you want to go back to how it was.


Er... in case you haven't noticed there is no 'union' in its current shape. The island is under foreign military occupation in the north. Or has this escaped your attention?

What makes you think we don't know that 'separation' is what you want? We know you don't want your 'rights' under a unified ROC. Instead you want to dissolve the ROC and create two states. You have tried that and failed to get recognition or support. So stop wasting our time with this nonsense.

If, however, you want to return to a unified ROC under the EU umbrella and re-claim your 'rights' then you first need to convince Turkey that this is in your (and their) best interests. Then you need to convince us you will respect all citizens of the ROC and their rights. And not behave – as you continue to do – as thieves, plunderers, separatist agitators and agents of a foreign power.

At the moment we remain to be convinced. So you need to try much, much harder...
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Re: YES to western common sense!

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:35 pm

Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote: you cannot understand that we do not the union in its current shape as workable so we want to separate but you refuse saying that you want to go back to how it was.


Er... in case you haven't noticed there is no 'union' in its current shape. The island is under foreign military occupation in the north. Or has this escaped your attention?

What makes you think we don't know that 'separation' is what you want? We know you don't want your 'rights' under a unified ROC. Instead you want to dissolve the ROC and create two states. You have tried that and failed to get recognition or support. So stop wasting our time with this nonsense.

If, however, you want to return to a unified ROC under the EU umbrella and re-claim your 'rights' then you first need to convince Turkey that this is in your (and their) best interests. Then you need to convince us you will respect all citizens of the ROC and their rights. And not behave – as you continue to do – as thieves, plunderers, separatist agitators and agents of a foreign power.

At the moment we remain to be convinced. So you need to try much, much harder...



We dont have to convince you about any thing, its you that has to win us over in order to unite. As fro returnig to the "RoC" you only want that if you can remove our rights just as your perverted dead leader did with his 13 points....the return conditions are unacceptable to you and the world knows whatever is put before you will be rejected by the GCs becaue their real goals are different to everyone elses.
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Re: YES to western common sense!

Postby Hermes » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:02 pm

Viewpoint wrote:We dont have to convince you about any thing, its you that has to win us over in order to unite. As fro returnig to the "RoC" you only want that if you can remove our rights just as your perverted dead leader did with his 13 points....the return conditions are unacceptable to you and the world knows whatever is put before you will be rejected by the GCs becaue their real goals are different to everyone elses.


So you now want a return to the 1960 Constitution? Is that your plan B now? Please be clear about this as you will need to formalise such a proposal to the UN and the GCs so that we can consider it.
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Re: YES to western common sense!

Postby CBBB » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:37 pm

Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:We dont have to convince you about any thing, its you that has to win us over in order to unite. As fro returnig to the "RoC" you only want that if you can remove our rights just as your perverted dead leader did with his 13 points....the return conditions are unacceptable to you and the world knows whatever is put before you will be rejected by the GCs becaue their real goals are different to everyone elses.


So you now want a return to the 1960 Constitution? Is that your plan B now? Please be clear about this as you will need to formalise such a proposal to the UN and the GCs so that we can consider it.


Don't confuse the poor woman, she must be with her period again.
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Re: YES to western common sense!

Postby kimon07 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:12 am

CBBB wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:We dont have to convince you about any thing, its you that has to win us over in order to unite. As fro returnig to the "RoC" you only want that if you can remove our rights just as your perverted dead leader did with his 13 points....the return conditions are unacceptable to you and the world knows whatever is put before you will be rejected by the GCs becaue their real goals are different to everyone elses.


So you now want a return to the 1960 Constitution? Is that your plan B now? Please be clear about this as you will need to formalise such a proposal to the UN and the GCs so that we can consider it.


Don't confuse the poor woman, she must be with her period again.


VP a woman?. No wonder she makes no sense :lol:
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Re: YES to western common sense!

Postby kimon07 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:58 am

Viewpoint wrote:You cannot unilaterally take away our rights without our consent.


Dear lady,

We don't want to take your rights away. We want to reinstate them by freeing you from the Turk.
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