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[Get Real!]

Exactly the problem of Cyprus and why it will and should never be united, the dangers stare us all in the face.

The problem of Cyprus is how to rid it of little racist turds like you.

I doubt you noticed but most of your posts are personal attacks against VP and on top of that you call him a racist!

[kimon07]

President Gül awaits allies’ help on jet hit

[quote]ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News

Turkey’s allies need to help illuminate how its jet was downed, President Gül says as the army vows to be ready for anything even if it ‘does not want war’
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There is consistency between statements from different Turkish institutions and recordings about the wreckage of the jet on the issue of the downed Turkish jet by Syria, Gül said in answer to questions about whether the jet was shot down by a missile.

The president also called on third countries to publicize any documents that they have regarding the incident, and said there was no bilateral issue, hostility or conflict of interest between Turkey and Syria.

Gül’s remarks follow remarks by the Chief of General Staff Gen. Necdet Özel that Turkey has radar data showing that its jet was downed by Syrian forces in international waters.

In separate remarks, a TSK communications officer says precise details of the incident will only be revealed after the conclusion of an inspection of the jet’s main body.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/presid ... sCatID=338

Aren't they so consistent? They ask others to publicize what they have on the incident but they don't publicize their own data!

[kimon07]

Back to the subject of the topic shall we?

Turkish military adds to confusion over jet incident

Remains collected from the wreckage of Turkish F-4 jet which was shot down by Syria and retrieved from the seabed on Thursday, are seen in this undated picture released by Turkish Chief of Staff in Ankara July 5, 2012. (Photo: Reuters)

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9 July 2012 / TODAY’S ZAMAN, ANKARA

A senior commander has said authorities do not have any image of a missile used in the downing by Syria of a military jet last month, fueling suspicions over whether the aircraft was in fact hit by a missile.

The RF-4E Phantom jet had a missile detection system so its pilots would have been able to perceive a missile threat beforehand, Brig. Gen. Baki Kavun was quoted as saying by the Milliyet daily on Monday. “Our jet had a missile detection system. So if there had been any missile threat, the system would have detected it,” Kavun said.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-286030- ... ident.html

[Kikapu]

Erdogan is caught in a lie again. Not the first time. First he said Syria apologised for downing the Turkish fighter jet when it did no such thing. Then Erdogan insisted on saying that the fighter jet was shot down in International airspace, but the jet ended up in Syrian waters with the dead crew. Erdogan tried very hard to squeeze a square peg into a round hole, but he can never get it to fit into each other. His only hope was to stick to his claim and hoped and prayed that people would just believe him. They have not!

USA, Russia and NATO knows exactly where the fighter jet was shot down, but they have allowed Erdogan hang himself with his claims. In essence, they have allowed Erdogan to walk the plank by withholding information that will prove that the fighter jet was shot in Syrian airspace just like Syria had stated. Turkey hoping to get the backings of the USA and NATO to start a military conflict with Syria, instead was egged on by USA and NATO forErdogan to continue with his rhetoric, but not having interest on going into conflict with Syria, not when Russia, China and Iran are backing Syria. Basically, the west used Erdogan to make a fool out of himself by telling the world that Turkey has all the evidence as to where the fighter jet was shot down, and now that has run it's course and no one believes him, he is now asking for others to say what they know, so that once it is proven that the fighter jet was shot in Syrian airspace by others, leaving Erdogan to walk away with his tail between his legs. I'm sure Erdogan will make some excuse why he was given the wrong information by his own military personal.But once proven wrong, he will still demand an apology from Syria, I'm sure, if not for them shooting down the Turkish fighter jet, but for making him look like a leader without any convictions.

We know the details on the jet but we won't tell, says US official
WASHINGTON - Hürriyet

U.S. officials know the details about a Turkish jet downed by Syria last month but have no intention of informing the press about them, according to U.S. Foreign Affairs officials.

"Those in the American government who need to know [details] know them," the prominent official told daily Hürriyet during an interview. "But we will make no statements about the topics in question."

Declining to explain why a Pentagon official leaked rumors to the Washington Post claiming that the jet was over Syrian waters when it was shot down, the unnamed official said the details mattered very little to the American government.

"Whether the jet was shot over Syrian territory or over international waters, or what it was shot with, what difference does it make? What matters to us is that it was downed,” the official said.

"Turkey thought the louder its statements were, the more believable they would be," the official said. "I guess that was why the prime minister made those statements. It's like an American shouting to someone who doesn't speak English. We, however, will not say anything on the matter."

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/we-kno ... sCatID=338

[Kikapu]

Erdogan starts the blame game just to try and protect himself from the lies he has spreading as to how and where the Turkish fighter jet was show down by Syria. Is this guy predictable or what?

Erdoğan accuses CHP of being mouthpiece for Baath regime

11 July 2012 / TODAYSZAMAN.COM,

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has accused the country's main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) of failing to display a “nationalistic” stance on the downing of a Turkish jet by Syria last month, accusing the CHP of acting like a spokesperson for the Syrian Baath regime.
“[Syrian leader] Bashar al-Assad is not talking about our [downed] jet as [CHP leader Kemal] Kılıçdaroğlu is already talking on his behalf. The CHP has apparently undertaken the role of spokesperson for the Baath regime in Turkey. The CHP leader did not display a nationalistic stance on our downed jet,” Erdoğan said on Wednesday during his party's expanded provincial chairmen meeting.

Erdoğan also criticized Kılıçdaroğlu for giving credence to a report by The Wall Street Journal that stated that the Turkish jet had been downed by Syrian forces in Syrian territorial waters. “You will, on the one hand, slander the [Justice and Development Party] AK Party by accusing it of carrying out some foreign countries' policies and, on the other hand, you will trumpet the lies of an American newspaper. What are you running after? Why are you pawns in this scenario? Kılıçdaroğlu is encouraging Turkey's enemies,” Erdoğan continued.

The prime minister also accused some Turkish media outlets of siding with the Syrian regime as loyally as pro-regime news outlets in Syria do.

Syrian forces shot down an F-4 Phantom, an unarmed reconnaissance version of the F-4 fighter jet, on June 22, when, according to Ankara, it was on a solo mission to test domestic radar systems. Turkey says the plane was hit in international airspace by Syria without warning in a “hostile act.”

Syria, on the other hand, says the plane was flying fast and low, at an altitude of 100 meters, and that it was only a kilometer off the Syrian coast when it was shot down. Syria also says the plane was hit by anti-aircraft weapons that only have a range of about two-and-a-half kilometers, rather than by a missile.

The Wall Street Journal's report, which cited US and Pentagon officials, claimed that the Turkish jet shot down by Syrian forces on June 22 was downed in Syrian airspace and not in international airspace, as the Turkish government maintains.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-286184- ... egime.html

[kimon07]

We know the details on the jet but we won't tell, says US official

WASHINGTON - Hürriyet

U.S. officials know the details about a Turkish jet downed by Syria last month but have no intention of informing the press about them, according to U.S. State Department officials.

"Those in the American government who need to know [details] know them," the prominent official told daily Hürriyet during an interview. "But we will make no statements about the topics in question."

Declining to explain why a Pentagon official leaked rumors to the Wall Street Journal claiming that the jet was over Syrian waters when it was shot down, the unnamed official said the details mattered very little to the American government.
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"Turkey thought the louder its statements were, the more believable they would be," the official said.

"I guess that was why the prime minister made those statements. It's like an American shouting to someone who doesn't speak English.

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Why Obama never called

Some in Turkey have been debating the reason why U.S. President Barack Obama did not call Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan immediately following the downing of the jet even though the two leaders exchanged 13 phone calls in the last year.

Providing a possible reason for the lack of contact, the official said: “There are elections in the U.S. this year. And when foreign affairs are discussed during American elections, the only thing that matters is Israel's security. That should be taken into consideration in the progress of relations."

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/we-kno ... sCatID=338

[kimon07]

Armed Forces find no explosive matter on downed jet's surface
ISTANBUL

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/armed- ... sCatID=359


The Turkish Armed Forces has found no trace of an explosive material on the surface of the wreckage of a downed Turkish jet that was hauled up from the seabed off the coast of Syria.

"The Turkish Armed Forces found no petroleum-like residue or trace of any organic or inorganic explosive matter on the surface of the pieces from the downed jet that were taken from the sea surface," it said.

Capt. Gökhan Ertan and Maj. Lt. Hasan Hüseyin Aksoy were in command of the RF4-E reconnaissance jet when it was shot down by Syria 13 nautical miles off the Syrian coast in international airspace.

Turkish audacity and stupid/ridiculous propaganda in all their glory.

Finding no traces of explosives means it was shot down by A/A guns, not a missile of any sort. A/A guns have a maximum range of not more than 3-4 klmrs which means the plane was flying low and near the coast of Syria. But still, they continue ridiculing themselves insisting to the 13 miles off the coast story. What clowns!

[kimon07]

They are completelly f* up

Questions piling up on downed Turkish plane
ANKARA/ WASHINGTON

Questions continue to pile up on the downed Turkish jet, with the PM saying his government does not know all details about the incident in contrast to the US'

There are growing numbers of question marks surrounding last month’s downed Turkish plane as the prime minister admitted yesterday that all details from the incident were not yet known as Washington said it knew everything about the downing but was refusing to share the information with the media.

But didn't Davutoglou say they have all facts and data and they expect others to publicize theirs if any?

The sense of confusion was enhanced by an Air Force general who said the plane, which was downed June 22, might have been hit by a personally operated missile from a Syrian ship rather than a surface-to-air missile.

(trying to justify the 13 miles theory i.e., plane not shot at by coastal guns while flying near the coast of Syria but shot at from a Syrian ship sailing away from the coast).

At the same time, the military also altered the way it is has been describing the event, referring to the plane as the jet that “Syria claimed to have shot down” rather than the jet that “Syria shot down.”

Interpretation. When asked why they don't retaliate against Syria the answer will be: "Cause we don't believe them that they downed our plane"

More funny staff below:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/questi ... sCatID=359

[kimon07]

Back to square one as Turkish jet incident turns into messy mystery

The possibility of an accident, rather than a Syrian attack, now appears to be an option in the June 22 Turkish jet incident following the most recent statement by the military…..

More fun below:

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-286344- ... stery.html



Before long the clowns will tell us that the pilots committed suicide.

[Kikapu]

Another piece from YUSUF KANLI. Man, this Journalist has grown some balls as of late.

So you see, I was right, that Erdogan has no balls nor does he have any convictions and that Turkey is nothing but a toothless tiger.

I'm surprised Erdogan hasn't demanded an apology from Assad for "falsely" claiming he has shot down one of Turkey's fighter jets.

Erdogan will next make the claim, that it's fighter jet was shot down one of his warships in the area as the jet was trying to defect into Syria

If it wasn't for the fact that two pilots lost their lives tragically, it would be very funny watching Erdogan try and squirm himself from the very big hole he has dug for himself from day one!

Unfortunately, it's hard not to laugh at this live comedy. The story changes by the minute now.

A military statement on the “Syria-downed” reconnaissance plane has confused minds. From the first day, Turkey’s perennially angry tall and bold prime minister and the most knowledgeable foreign minister have insisted that the jet was downed by a Syrian missile, while Damascus has claimed that it was shot down by anti-aircraft fire. The British and the Americans must have some ideas on the issue, but are so far not releasing them. Russia has said it has detailed information that it is willing to share if the Turks want, but no such request has been made. Now the Turkish military says that the “suspected Syria-downed plane” was not hit by a missile, but that it is “suspected Syria-hit”? Not hit by missile?

But did not we come to the brink of war with Syria? Did not the premier accuse all journalists doubting Turkish statements of being servants of the dictator of Syria? Is it not the duty of journalists to be curious about all probabilities?

Is there need for further comment? What a credible foreign policy!
July/13/2012

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tragic ... sCatID=425