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[Viewpoint]

Will there be one man one vote?....YES

Will there be a Federal level that supercedes politically/legally both constituent states?...YES

Will there be freedom of movement throughout the whole of Cyprus?....YES

Will human/civil rights be upheld by both communities and last appeal in all cases to be referred to the Federal Supreme Court?....YES

Will all ports of entry of the ROC be controlled by the Federal government?...YES

Will all private property rights pre-74 throughout Cyprus be honored and respected?...YES

Will all illegal settlers leave and go back to anatolia?....YES

This is how a true Democratic Federal Republic of Cyprus looks like Vp........

Yes. To all these points.

Then agree is amongest yourselves and try and move forward lets see how far you get.

[wyoming cowboy]

Will there be one man one vote?....YES

Will there be a Federal level that supercedes politically/legally both constituent states?...YES

Will there be freedom of movement throughout the whole of Cyprus?....YES

Will human/civil rights be upheld by both communities and last appeal in all cases to be referred to the Federal Supreme Court?....YES

Will all ports of entry of the ROC be controlled by the Federal government?...YES

Will all private property rights pre-74 throughout Cyprus be honored and respected?...YES

Will all illegal settlers leave and go back to anatolia?....YES

This is how a true Democratic Federal Republic of Cyprus looks like Vp........

Yes. To all these points.

Then agree is amongest yourselves and try and move forward lets see how far you get.

And you have a problem with a true Democratic Cyprus Vp, where the rule of law prevails?

[repulsewarrior]

...vp, to focus on the debate, wouldn't you agree, that if Sovereignty was not the issue, the Constituencies could agree unanimously, what is the Territorial Jurisdictions that their services best provide?

[Viewpoint]

You can not dictate or dominate you have to ask the opinion of the other side without being dismissive.

[repulsewarrior]

You can not dictate or dominate you have to ask the opinion of the other side without being dismissive.

...dude, are you talking to me?

if we agree that the constituent states are equal, and that there exists the government of the Republic, Sovereignty no longer being an issue therefore, do you think the Greeks, and Turcophones could agree together about their Territorial Jurisdictions?

[Viewpoint]

You can not dictate or dominate you have to ask the opinion of the other side without being dismissive.

...dude, are you talking to me?

if we agree that the constituent states are equal, and that there exists the government of the Republic, Sovereignty no longer being an issue therefore, do you think the Greeks, and Turcophones could agree together about their Territorial Jurisdictions?

I do but the problem is the GCs they would never accept becoming a constituent state or sharing power at the federal level, go ahead try out your theory on this forum.

[Hermes]

the problem is the GCs they would never accept becoming a constituent state or sharing power at the federal level, go ahead try out your theory on this forum.

As you know, the GCs have accepted the principle of two local government regions under one federal state within the EU. There is no problem here. The issue is that the TCs don't want a federal solution but a loose confederation with a weak central government along existing partition lines with little return of territory and many derogations from the EU acquis. This is simply not going to happen.

[repulsewarrior]

...this is good. do not despair.

Cyprus is not lost, and though the "Greeks" and the "Turks" seek its denial, we the rests of this island's dwellers can express our support for Freedom, as Cypriots first, because as Cypriots we can choose to identify ourselves as Persons too.

...radical vp, put a Cypriot flag up, and sit under it. i see how hard that is for you given the reactions from fellow writers when you try, and i know that quite a bit of bad will happen to you because of the past, because your support appears to reflect that of "Turks", they reflect in kind a certain hostility, but persist because it is far superior to the choices right now, one that benefits Turkey, and one that does not, there is this third choice which gives us Liberty and Freedom; i dare the Turkish Army to shoot a Turkish Cypriot for putting up their Flag, with respect vp because i don't hope for any more death; but that would be telling, and enosis, i suppose, could take on a whole new meaning for Cypriots: Greeks and Turks, against, "Greeks" and "Turks".

there are elections coming, encourage this debate, insist, a love of Cyprus expressed from this Leadership, the Cypriot Flag their banner, as a Turkish Constituency the commitment to work with the other Constituencies apart from the Republic's superiority as a State. challenge the significant adversary, "Greeks" to declare this same commitment to Cyprus, challenge them as Greeks to declare a respect for Cypriot Sovereignty by sitting with and unanimously agreeing, one of many Cypriot Constituencies, to the Territorial Jurisdictions they seek, for their Charter from the State. with Sovereignty a non-issue (for TC's), GC's as you call them, will expose themselves to this thinking, that their Federation gains greater credibility if the bias of its Greekness is removed because the Greek Constituency like others as Cypriots are secured Universal Rights as Individuals, Federally, while they have their own self-representation as Persons: this is possible, it is truly Bicommunal, and it is a demonstration of Humanity's Universal Principals applied.

@ Hermes, my reply to vp, i think reflects your sentiments as well; is it possible that we are all agreeing with each other?

[wyoming cowboy]

You can not dictate or dominate you have to ask the opinion of the other side without being dismissive.

...dude, are you talking to me?

if we agree that the constituent states are equal, and that there exists the government of the Republic, Sovereignty no longer being an issue therefore, do you think the Greeks, and Turcophones could agree together about their Territorial Jurisdictions?

I do but the problem is the GCs they would never accept becoming a constituent state or sharing power at the federal level, go ahead try out your theory on this forum.

Vp, even with a billion and a half of checks and balances(that you keep harping about), with no will to make the solution work, it wont. A true Federal Democratic solution with a strong central government is the only chance of success....When you want undemocratic, apartheid balances,which take away from the rights of the majority Greek Cypriots, then its obvious you are not serious about any sort of solution.

[repulsewarrior]

You can not dictate or dominate you have to ask the opinion of the other side without being dismissive.

...dude, are you talking to me?

if we agree that the constituent states are equal, and that there exists the government of the Republic, Sovereignty no longer being an issue therefore, do you think the Greeks, and Turcophones could agree together about their Territorial Jurisdictions?

I do but the problem is the GCs they would never accept becoming a constituent state or sharing power at the federal level, go ahead try out your theory on this forum.

Vp, even with a billion and a half of checks and balances(that you keep harping about), with no will to make the solution work, it wont. A true Federal Democratic solution with a strong central government is the only chance of success....When you want undemocratic, apartheid balances,which take away from the rights of the majority Greek Cypriots, then its obvious you are not serious about any sort of solution.

wyoming, i believe vp has recognised the value of a Republic and the role it plays in defending our Freedom, however he asks for the Greek Constituency to recognise that the bias that this Federal Government suffers is that no Greek Constituency exists apart from it, from which they like Turks can express their views as Persons (and as equals), rather than as Individuals. wouldn't you agree that the Republic would be more credible as the represntative of all its Citizens, if there existed a Greek Constituency, along with a Turkish Constituency, and a Republic?