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[Bananiot]

Lordo, there is no doubt Kavazoglu was killed by TMT. In fact, the killers are well known by TC's from Lurugina. I believe one o the killers was a turncoat, that used to be his comrade. Talking about Dr Ihsan Ali, there is an enlightening passage on page 35 of his memoirs, about the close relations between TMT and Yiorgadjis. If you insinuate that perhaps one of Yiorgadjis's killers executed Kavazoglu carrying out a friendly service, this does not remove the blame from TMT. It is important to note that both organisations were working for the downfall of Cyprus and they did do favours to each other.

[Lordo]

19/12/1963
Mud brick building blocking the view of GCs into Omorphita knocked down. GC elementary school in Trachones was stcoked with weapons. Two Turkish Cypriot policemen went to investigate and were told it was just costumes for the Christmas Play.

Friday 20/12/1963
22:00
TC Police in the finger prints department of Athalasa Police HQ TC police were ordered by Police Superintendent Thegadris to go to a unused warehouse. They could not get in so they came back. By the time they got back the GC Police had lots of Civilians in their ranks all armed. Not one TC Police was allowed to have arms.
Nobody had fired a shot yet at this point. For the police to be armed, the Turkish Cypriots ministers had to give approval under the constitution of the RoC. This was the first time the The Greek Cypriots acted outside of the constitution.

Saturday 21/12/1963
02:30
Armed civilan men claim to be Police stop two cars with 10 passengers. Male Gunman attempt to search the women The Turkish Cypriot men object asking to be taken to a police station for them to be searched by female police. One of the attackers is recognised as Yanni of Olimpiakos Football Club. Somebody shouts Yanni is not a police men he is a football player, lets see your police ID cards. Suddenly couple of police cars arrive on the seen and without any warning what so ever begin shooting.

Zeki Karabuluk(25) and Cemaliye Emir ((32) - killed by police Sterling Machinegun fire.
3 bystanders injured

03:00 a car driven by a Turkish Cypriot policeman arrive on the scene. They start firing at him too. They also shot two of their own men too. Not a single shot fired by a Turkish Cypriot.

04:00 Cars loaded with armed Greek Cypriots travelling around Turkish sector firing at anything they saw.

[Lordo]

Bananiot, people got paid for killing. There is a financial benefit to admit killing them. I have no doubt that TMT were going to kill them when they met, but I believe that EOKA did it before them. EOKA Territory stretched for 5 miles south of Piroi. They were killed half a mile south of Piroi. It is illogical. There is no way TMT could penetrate 4.5 miles into EOKA territory and kill these people in daylight withing view of all EOKA positions. If Kavazoglu was killed in or near TMT territory I would believe it but they were killed behind the lines of Eoka positions. If it was them, they would have waited for them to go past the EOKA positions into Lurugina soil.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Lordo - you already told us the problem arose because Turkey refused to allow the Democritisation of Cyprus.

6th of December Turkey refused the amendments.

What are you trying to establish now from your imagination?

Besides, no references!

[Lordo]

Lordo, there is no doubt Kavazoglu was killed by TMT. In fact, the killers are well known by TC's from Lurugina. I believe one o the killers was a turncoat, that used to be his comrade. Talking about Dr Ihsan Ali, there is an enlightening passage on page 35 of his memoirs, about the close relations between TMT and Yiorgadjis. If you insinuate that perhaps one of Yiorgadjis's killers executed Kavazoglu carrying out a friendly service, this does not remove the blame from TMT. It is important to note that both organisations were working for the downfall of Cyprus and they did do favours to each other.

I agree with you there. But how will we ever know who ordered the killing. Eoka saw communists as Turks, so they wanted these two people dead just as much.

What about page 34. Did it not contain the deference to the bombing of the mosques? My reference said it did.
Are you reading Ihsan Ali, Memoirs published Nicosia 1980?

[supporttheunderdog]

a simple time line is not enough and likewise 1959 is to late - 1955 would be better when the Greek Pogroms took place in Istanbul and the armed struggle started, after big Mak rejected internal home rule.

What is going to acheive any way - try looking forward not back.

[Bananiot]

Kavazoglu was killed by TMT. He was in the same death list as the other murdered TC leftists of 1958. He was asked by his friends to go to England for a while but he refused. He went to live in the Greek part of Nicosia where he stayed for a short while inside the PEO trade union building and then in the house of Christakis Vanezos. He was known by an alias (Alecos) but he maintained contact with the average TC and was particularly interested in helping the TC community in Dali. Prior to his murder he went outside Piroi to meet two persons from Lurugina in order to help them renew the license of a car. Vanezos described how he drove him to the meeting. On the day of the execution, Mishaoulis was to take him to Larnaca but probably he made a stop outside Lurugina where he met his killers. TMT killed him but AKEL bears a lot of responsibility too, for not protecting him properly. On top, AKEL had issues with Kavazoglu who rejected the official party line for enosis. Christakis Vanezos, who is a very good friend of mine and housed Kavazoglu for about 6 years with his good wife Maria, considers Kavazoglu to be a huge personality, who sacrificed his life for a Cyprus where the two communities would live happily and peacefully together. The people that killed him, Lordo, do not differ one bit, from the GC members of our nationalist organisation that used exactly the same bullying tactics to divide the people of Cyprus. We should bear all these in mind before we start blaming every body else except ourselves for what has happened to Cyprus.

[Lordo]

Bananiot, I am not trying to blame the other side. Not at all. Both TMT and EOKA killed countless people of their own side. They each drove thousands from from Cyprus to silence opposition.

We are living in an age where communication is very easy. In a matter of minutes an even can be accepted because it is mentioned by many on the net. Surely was this not also for Iraqi WMDs. not just the net but the whole world believed it.

My point is this. At that time, people actually got paid for killing, which shocked the Greek Deep state. They thought that Greek Cypriots would do their killings for free. TMT was no different. If a TMT man claimed a killing you can be sure he was paid for it.

Now the real question is who actually killed them. Who ordered the killing is another matter which we will never get to the bottom of. However I know where they were killed and I also know the positions of the TMT and EOKA from Dali to Goshi. The positions of EOKA were on the hills at the northern end of Lurugina soil. The TMT positions were on the hills surrounding the village. If there were killed in between these to lines I would believe TMT could have got to them and killed them but they were not. They were killed half a mile outside of Piroi off Larnaca Nicosia road in broad day light. Now that is about 4 miles north of the EOKA lines. It is impossible that TMT could have got there without being noticed. Unless they were invited by EOKA. Now that is something I have not considered.

It suited TMT to claim the killing for themselves as it would terrify the Turkish Cypriots to submission. It also suited EOKA. Which killer would come out and say actually we did that.

As there is no evidence what so ever as to who killed them, all you can go by is circumstantial evidence. If a fellow gets killed in your house and you are in the house at the time, you are suspect. Of course it has to be proven. But just because somebody else says I did it, does it mean that they did it? Especially if they get financial benefit for saying it and face no consequences.

[Bananiot]

What do you mean by EOKA, by the way? Do you mean the National Guard? At the time there was no EOKA but the national guard along with some paramilitary groups which were headed by warlords of the kind of Sampson, Giorgadjis and Lyssarides.

Who actually pulled the trigger is not that important in my opinion. What died in the killing, besides a great Cypriot man, was the idea of the two communities being able to live together in harmony. This suited both, the TC and the GC nationalists. To this effect they collaborated, hand in hand, as Dr Ihsan Ali mentions in his memoirs.