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[supporttheunderdog]

Dear Repulsewarrior

Excellent sentiments and well expressed.

[kimon07]

He died for the right and freedom to choose his identity instead of having Imperialist racists like you deciding for him, and us!

...given the time and the place his actions are as described. there is nothing of a disgrace in what he said, but time and History took other turns...

Time and history do take turns. Right. But Principals do not. They remain solid. And eternal!

[kimon07]

He died for the right and freedom to choose his identity instead of having Imperialist racists like you deciding for him, and us!

...given the time and the place his actions are as described. there is nothing of a disgrace in what he said, but time and History took other turns...

Time and history do take turns. Right. But Principals do not. They remain solid. And eternal!

PRINCIPLES I mean.

[GreekIslandGirl]

He died for the right and freedom to choose his identity instead of having Imperialist racists like you deciding for him, and us!

...given the time and the place his actions are as described. there is nothing of a disgrace in what he said, but time and History took other turns which should leave us grateful to Mankind, that for the first time in thousands of years, as a People Cypriots are Free. Respect is the watchword, and it is not as "Greeks" or "Turks" that any Peace will be found, to be at the vanguard of this new Age we must demonstrate a wider and more reasoned view, something repeatable, something emulated because it is held in high esteem.

Pallikarides was murdered for the removal of an Imperialist symbol of enslavement - the Union Jack. This was wrongfully flying on Cypriot soil.

That heroic act was echoed recently by Solomos Solomou - who was also murdered by the Imperialist enslavers (turks) for trying to lower their Muslim flag; which was also flying unlawfully on Cypriot soil.

So, I don't know what you are talking about.

[repulsewarrior]

...so I have to ask, who will stand up and defend the memory of the person who kills for the Cypriot flag; who will be the Killed this time (we've seen that in any one of the populations, of the Guarantors, persons that would choose to do such a thing), will it be a Cypriot that denies the Injustice this time, will it be another Cypriot killed this time?

...and if it's Greece, at least its Flag the cause for a murderous shot, wouldn't it be the reasonable among us Greek or not, again for the same reason to say, "this is wrong"; can we imagine all Greeks defending murder blindly because it is a "Greek" who is the killer (or if it was a Turk or a Brit killed), when it is clear that the extremists amongst any one of these groups that are the enemy within, each equally brutal, and each equally to blame: we are Humans or we are not, this is the crux of the issue.

...some of us choose to accept the debate as it has been framed, i suggest that in this regard our grasp of the Problem is flawed. as Individuals we serve Mankind, as Persons we may express our distinction toward this betterment; the solution will not be found with a victor in the Proxy War that the elites of the Interlocutors have waged for so long, because it seems to suit them. Cypriots themselves must move forward beyond an identity that insists a State is the composition of one Nation, and that because it is the majority the State is bound to serve this Nation first. a State, and its Good Government, distinguishes its Citizens without discrimination, National identities can be sustained within this unity apart: this is Bicommunal.

Cyprus, for a few short glory years was the most socialised country in the world, Cypriots were Great Cooperators; where is our leadership toward sustaining an ethnosphere which is not just "Greek"? where is the Greek Cypriot Constituency; it will free the Republic to serve higher goals, becoming the equal to the Turkish Constituency, (and i hope a Maronite, etc., Constituency, as well).

...where are the Cypriots? soon i expect they will be flying their flag to demonstrate their rage, rather than taking down the others; my hope is that it will not be bloody.

[GreekIslandGirl]

With all due respect, RW, I think you are missing the point.

The flag (Union Jack) was a symbol of enslavement. Its removal, a symbolic call for freedom.

From the tender age of 15; this young lad's heart cried out for freedom and he acted (probably on impulse - I know what teenagers are like) and from that moment, becasue his people were not free, he was branded a criminal by the foreigners who were empowered to decide our fate.

That is not way to live.

And so he paved the way towards our freedom, and the long path to a bloodless future (not yet in sight) - he paid with his life, needlessly; and again simply because the foreign invaders (whether present by force or negotiation) had the power to decide the fate of the people of Cyprus.

[supporttheunderdog]

He died for the right and freedom to choose his identity instead of having Imperialist racists like you deciding for him, and us!

...given the time and the place his actions are as described. there is nothing of a disgrace in what he said, but time and History took other turns which should leave us grateful to Mankind, that for the first time in thousands of years, as a People Cypriots are Free. Respect is the watchword, and it is not as "Greeks" or "Turks" that any Peace will be found, to be at the vanguard of this new Age we must demonstrate a wider and more reasoned view, something repeatable, something emulated because it is held in high esteem.

Pallikarides was murdered for the removal of an Imperialist symbol of enslavement - the Union Jack. This was wrongfully flying on Cypriot soil.

That heroic act was echoed recently by Solomos Solomou - who was also murdered by the Imperialist enslavers (turks) for trying to lower their Muslim flag; which was also flying unlawfully on Cypriot soil.

So, I don't know what you are talking about.

Rubbish - at the time the Union flag was legally flying over Cyprus as the flag of the then lawful government, indeed I personaly don't have any particular problem with his tearing down the flag - it was a an act of defiance as a part of a politcal campaign for Enonsis which I think was profoundly misguided but which protest hurt no one, but then no matter how hard you plead no one killed him for tearing down the flag: Pallikarides was lawfuly executed following due legal process of a lawfuly empowered court of law operating under the then lawful authority of that then lawfui government because of HIS admitted criminal act of carrying illegal firearms. HE chose to Join EOKA and HE chose to commit further unlawful acts which HE knew or should have known cvarried the death penalty. HE got caught, HIS Problem.

If he had not joined EOKA and carried the guns he would be alive today -


Solomou was murdered in cold blood without due process by a foreign invading power that was and is in illegal occuption.

[Lordo]

Did someone kill this terrorist?

Your masters, the British, hanged him as you very well know. But you owe to him and to his mates your freedom from the colonialist rule (pity you chose to submit to an even worse one).

If I understand the views of the evil takists such as Lordo, VP, etc, their view was that, in the light of the history between the Greece and Turkey (in particular events only say 33 years before 1955, which many then would have remembered), what EOKA A was fighting for was worse - ie Enosis not independance, where they would live under a Greek government, they probably feared, or be ethnically cleansed,and absent Takism making , British rule (or independance) their prefered options.

Their fears of oppression and ethnic cleansing may not have been justified, but these fears were certainly preyed upon by Turkey and their TMT tools who for their own reasons would not tollerate a full Enosis of Cyprus with Greece, irrespective of the presence of the Kibrilisi on the Island.

Evgoras Pallikarides himself said he did not die for Cyprus but for Greece.

Is this not a personal Attack on me?

"If I understand the views of the evil takists such as Lordo"

Where is Admin?

When and what exactly did I take that makes me Evil?

There are some who are born ignorant and educate themselves and there those who don't change till they die.

[kimon07]

Is this not a personal Attack on me?

"If I understand the views of the evil takists such as Lordo"

Where is Admin?

When and what exactly did I take that makes me Evil?

There are some who are born ignorant and educate themselves and there those who don't change till they die.

Come come. You are over reacting now. I am being called a "fascist" and a "simpleton" repeatedly by some grass hoppers and other peculiar creatures

[Lordo]

Is this not a personal Attack on me?

"If I understand the views of the evil takists such as Lordo"

Where is Admin?

When and what exactly did I take that makes me Evil?

There are some who are born ignorant and educate themselves and there those who don't change till they die.

Come come. You are over reacting now. I am being called a "fascist" and a "simpleton" repeatedly by some grass hoppers and other peculiar creatures

So please explain to me what it is that I have taken that makes me an evil takist?

I do not have anything what so ever that does not belong to me by right under RoC laws. Comprehendo?