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[repulsewarrior]

VP

Now can you try and explain this to GCs and how much better of they would be by supporting such movements, Ozersay in trying to think outside of the box all GCs will do is run this into the ground just like all attempts by the TCs to bring the two communities together.

We have all been exposed to you and your comments for the past 7 years on here and mostly the last three years supporting Eroglu. So tell us why we should support this guy VP/ Who do you support. It would appear that you are as confused as the GC's. Next time support one line of thought and stick to it.

Where did I say I support Eroglu? I said you GCs deserve Eroglu he is the mirror imagine of you GCs so you deserve each other. Obviously you read but do not understand.

"tell us why we should support this guy"

...certainly we should be as Cypriots interested in supporting the thinking that Cyprus needs its Freedom as a State, and in all respect as Members of a wider Family of Man, Cypriots should be demonstrating the Universal Principals of Tolerance and Respect by defining Bicommunal in a manner where its qualities sustain many Identities, credible and held in high esteem because it can be emulated.

...seriously, as Modern People, beyond this Age, isn't it possible to get beyond Nationalism used as a weapon to keep us apart? can we not choose to sustain this diversity that is a precious ethnosphere because we love this island, and we, are a part of it.

...give us a clue,vp. humanist did ask a reasonable question.

[humanist]

VP

Where did I say I support Eroglu? I said you GCs deserve Eroglu he is the mirror imagine of you GCs so you deserve each other. Obviously you read but do not understand.

VP apologies to beging with

I should have said that I found you supporting some of his strong views especially around his extreme pro Turkish support which to me leaves me to believe that you support his views

[Maximus]

In fact, Ozerday worries whether a Turkish Cypriot society still exists at all today.

So far none of you have convinced me how this movement by the TC's is going to rid Cyprus of the Turkish occupation regime. Ozersay himself has doubts that a TC society even exists today and I am not convinced that he can even save the Turkish Cypriots from dying first. will he manage this after plan B fails or will the movement counter Turkeys annexation in plan C?

Its Cyprus vs Turkey where the current negotiating framework for a BBF is a compromise by the majority of Cypriots to suit the few, the absolute minority with 'special' circumstances and an untold amount of illegitimacy and greed. This is their last gasp to straighten themselves out, otherwise soon enough they will be out of the 'negotiating' equation for good.

In my opinion, A BBF is not the preferred or the best solution for Cyprus and it has been proven that it cant be negotiated to conclusion, with the 'goodwill' of Turkey and the TC's anyway. The time will come when these obstacles will be removed from the equation and the odds are in favor of the TC's being eliminated first.

[Lordo]

You wish, asshole.

[humanist]

I don't agree with BBF either
but what your suggesting also we would be better off dealing with Turkey directly. Because the International Community will only have to request that Turkey leaves it's occupation of Cyprus NOw, as there are no TC's to protect any more.

The TC's screwed themselves for allowing the status quo to continue for the length of time they have, and no recognition in sight either not a for a long time. So this guy is the last chance the community have.

My fear is that there are only few educated TC's left and that makes it a problem when the uneducated listen and believe propaganda and do not see the deep seeded issue.

Really the best option for TC's right now is a move back to the Constitution with some changes. Their concerns will be noted and their rights as individuals protected under the European Citizen Rights and any one of them can under the democratic system be able to become a Nation President

[Maximus]

I don't agree with BBF either
but what your suggesting also we would be better off dealing with Turkey directly. Because the International Community will only have to request that Turkey leaves it's occupation of Cyprus NOw, as there are no TC's to protect any more.

The TC's screwed themselves for allowing the status quo to continue for the length of time they have, and no recognition in sight either not a for a long time. So this guy is the last chance the community have.

My fear is that there are only few educated TC's left and that makes it a problem when the uneducated listen and believe propaganda and do not see the deep seeded issue.

Really the best option for TC's right now is a move back to the Constitution with some changes. Their concerns will be noted and their rights as individuals protected under the European Citizen Rights and any one of them can under the democratic system be able to become a Nation President

so you see, the TC's are actually an obstacle to 'reunifiy' the RoC.

it is a separate debate entirely as to whether they deserve this fate or not but the writing is on the wall, their wall and NOT 'our' wall.

[humanist]

Yes I do. Very clearly. I can also see that at the end there will be no TC and then it becomes a matter of the RoC taking the issue of Turkish occupation to either the Courts or the UN and arguing for departure of Turkish Occupation and the war crime of settlers brought onto the Island to change demographics.

The best thing that intelligent TC's can do right now is move back to their villages and access refugee funds to rebuild their homes. I think that the RoC needs to make these funds available.

In terms of deserving . No one deserves that however, they wrote their own story and they keep writing their own story through their intransigence and unrealistic demands.

I mean we have people who cannot accept the fact that numerically they are a minority group without accepting the fact that because one is of a minority group does not somehow deserve equality and opportunity.

[Viewpoint]

Yes I do. Very clearly. I can also see that at the end there will be no TC and then it becomes a matter of the RoC taking the issue of Turkish occupation to either the Courts or the UN and arguing for departure of Turkish Occupation and the war crime of settlers brought onto the Island to change demographics.

The best thing that intelligent TC's can do right now is move back to their villages and access refugee funds to rebuild their homes. I think that the RoC needs to make these funds available.

In terms of deserving . No one deserves that however, they wrote their own story and they keep writing their own story through their intransigence and unrealistic demands.

I mean we have people who cannot accept the fact that numerically they are a minority group without accepting the fact that because one is of a minority group does not somehow deserve equality and opportunity.

So in short we have to accept our fate which in reality we did and will continue to do so as the alternative offers are not acceptable, you have to understand that we are not just some minority we have international agreements which prove that we have rights as a partner not a minority, international agreements with your signature on it which neither you nor the international comunity can disregard. So the day you wake up and understand that you have share this island equally is the day you find a solution.

[Bananiot]

In 2003 the TC's came out in huge numbers, condemning Denktash and demanding solution. What did the GC's do? We stayed at home, listening to the rubbish Papadopoulos was feeding us, that the uprising was not really an uprising, but a communications ploy of Turkey. Once again we allowed the train of history to pass by without us daring to get on it. Why do we behave like this? Because we are not willing to compromise. We want everything, nothing short of total victory. This is absurd. It has already cost us almost half of our country and probably the future holds more misery for us. We choose to walk on the high grounds at our peril.

[Piratis]

In 2003 the TC's came out in huge numbers, condemning Denktash and demanding solution. What did the GC's do? We stayed at home, listening to the rubbish Papadopoulos was feeding us, that the uprising was not really an uprising, but a communications ploy of Turkey. Once again we allowed the train of history to pass by without us daring to get on it. Why do we behave like this? Because we are not willing to compromise. We want everything, nothing short of total victory. This is absurd. It has already cost us almost half of our country and probably the future holds more misery for us. We choose to walk on the high grounds at our peril.

We are willing to compromise and give to the Turkish minority of 18% more powers than any other ethnic minority in any other democratic country. We are even willing to give to them part of our own land to be administered by them. On many occasions I described a BBF based arrangement that would be acceptable to us even though it would be a huge compromise that no other majority has ever willingly made.

The point of making compromises is to get something which is at least better than what you currently have. This was not the case with the Annan plan. With that plan the Turks would give merely 7% of land, and in return they would get far more than what that 7% is worth: official partition and official Turkification of the north part of Cyprus, 50% power in the recognized state and the ability to control the whole island.

So no, we don't want "everything". What we want is something which is at least better than what we have now. The Annan plan was vastly better for TCs and Turkey (which is why they supported it) and it was vastly worst than the status quo for us, which is why we rejected it.

Today 2/3rds of our island is free. Being Free it means that we democratically rule it. With the Annan plan no part of Cyprus would be free anymore since it would become a Banana Republic of Turkey, just like the "trnc" is today.

What we want is some sort of solution, even if it is not ideal. We are not merely asking to close the Cyprus issue as an international problem with an arrangement that would officially Turkify the north, give Turkey the power to control the whole of Cyprus and would create more problems to us than we currently have. Better to have the Cyprus Problem forever rather than have such a "solution".