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[Sotos]

So, the grand democrats of the forum support Assad, because he might be replaced by someone worse. What the Syrian people want does not matter. Excellent thinking, worthy of their great ancestral democratic heritage.

No .. I do not support Assad and the Syrian people can have whomever they want. It is their country so they should do what they want in it without any foreign involvement. Why should foreigners take down one dictator and help another dictator to come to power?

[kimon07]

UK journalist: Syria rebels led me into death trap

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-283007-uk-journalist-syria-rebels-led-me-into-death-trap.html

8 June 2012 / REUTERS, LONDON
A British journalist claims that Syrian rebels set him up to die in a no man's land near the Lebanese border, saying he believes they hoped he would be shot by government forces.
Channel 4 News's chief correspondent Alex Thomson said in a blog post Friday that a rebel escort led him, his driver, and his translator to a dead end in "free-fire zone" around the town of Qusair.
He says it was "quite clear the rebels deliberately set us up to be shot by the Syrian Army," adding that if he and his colleagues were shot by government forces then it would have been a propaganda coup for the rebels.
In an email, Thomson said there was "absolutely no way" that Monday's incident was an accident.

[supporttheunderdog]

So, the grand democrats of the forum support Assad, because he might be replaced by someone worse. What the Syrian people want does not matter. Excellent thinking, worthy of their great ancestral democratic heritage.

The ancient Greeks also had Autocracy and Dictatorship, Oligarchy, etc. Look at Sparta and indeeed Athens at some points. Plato is widely seen as promoting authoritarian philosophies and his philosphy was admired and used by the Facists, but the Greek Wanabees dont like to mention that, but perhaps that is the heritage they are coming from.

[kimon07]

.. I do not support Assad and the Syrian people can have whomever they want. It is their country so they should do what they want in it without any foreign involvement. Why should foreigners take down one dictator and help another dictator to come to power?

Re Soto,

Trying to reason with the pseudo democrats and especially the “leftists” who have become the faithful dogs of Globalisation is a waste of time.

Here is a piece from an article of Burak Bekdil which says it all:

Then, of course, there is Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu. “It is not possible for us to bring democracy to Libya but refrain from bringing democracy to Syria.” Great logic. But then every sane mind would ask: “Is it possible that we can bring democracy to Libya and Syria but refrain from bringing democracy to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf countries?” Or is Mr Davutoglu’s “hey we are bringing democracy to you” mission limited to bringing democracy only to hostile regimes? Why deprive friendly nations of the virtues of democracy? Do the Saudis and the Qataris not deserve the freedom to vote?

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/confus ... sCatID=398

And I would add to it: And how come they don’t give a shit about the democracy in Turkey which has and is being raped continuously since this mafia state was formed by Mustafa Kemal?

And how come they don't try to eliminate the fascist regime of North Cyprus? Is that "state" democratric? Is it "democratic" to let Turkey control half of Cyoprud and do nothing about it?

Remember when we were to vote for the Annan Plan? Every single skatopsychos pseudo democrat under the sun, including some European “socialists” like Mr. Solana, and little Georgie Papandreou, alias Jeffrey, alias the tall moron from Minnesota, USA, as well as our former very renowned democratic president Mr. Vassiliou etc, threatened us with complete elimination in case we would dare to vote against what THEY thought to be best for us.

Also, take a look at our very democratic Filth Columnists. If you say you are Greek, you are immediately characterised as a Greek wannabe and a fascist. To be a democrat you must support what their masters and employers dictate. Such as, that the Turkish army saved us in 1974 and that we should welcome it with roses and that we should cut all bonds and strings with Greece etc, etc.

Remember also the war the international "democrats" (such as Mrs Allbright, Mr. Clinton and Mr. Blair, for instance) staged against Serbia which was oppressing the poor “Kosovar nation” and how passionately they wwanted to free and to helped this poor "nation” of human trafficking and drugs dealing cutthroat thugs to have its own state? What they didn’t tell us was that the Kosovars Albanians were never a separate nation nor did they ever have a country or a state of their own, ever in history. And that Kosovo now has one of the most important and sensitive American bases and that its soil is filthy rich with resources. On the other hand, the "democrats still deny to explain why the Kurds, who were a nation since the ancient times (they are even mentioned by Xenophon in his “Anavasis” as the “Kardouchoi” and they were confronted by Alexander) are just terrorists and are not entitled to have their own independent state.

Conclusion: Assad has to go because he is not with "us". He is with the Russians and this can not be tolerated in the East Med. Period. No one gives a damn about how many children and other innocent people will be killed or butchered by thugs. As long as we achieve "our" goal. To put Syria under "our" control. What they don't see coming or, maybe they see it but for reasons I can not understand, they accept it and even wish it, is that shortly, the whole of the Middle East will be under the control of radical Islam. And then we see what happens next.

[supporttheunderdog]

I believe it should be Alawites or Sunnis.

Can not object just being sceptical. Can not imagine how Syrians would plan and execute such massive murders of other Syrian people. From what I have heard Syrians are educated and civilized people. That is why I am inclined to believe the allegations of the regime that the massacres may have been committed by foreign mercenaries. If not, i.e., if they are committed by other Syrians, then, what can I say. "God" and religion seem to have many faces and interpretations.

One only need look in many other places where some of the most vicious events involve sectarian violence and/or corrupt and brutal regimes supressing opposition, particularly where it is likely to mean death to the major supporters of the old regime: otherwise the first causlty of war is nearly always truth and having regard to the previous Brutal hstory of the curent Syrian regime I would not disregard any claim that they are responsible as being a fabrication. It however a bloody mess where quite probbaly a number of interests are playing their own games. and I dont discount possible foreign influences to for example disloge the Russians from their Syrian base.

The people who will suffer are as usual the ordinary citizen.

[Bananiot]

Sotos, are you the representative of the "grand democrats" of the forum? Are you also calling for the scrapping of the UN? What about if there is already a foreign power established in Syria and the Syrian people are not even given a half chance to express their feelings on the presence of this foreign power? Are you heeding your mentor's advice not to bother with me? But then, how do you explain the fact that he went on to write a diatribe on me and my kind? Does he not heed his own advice? Have you any idea why he is so much against globalisation? Do you know under which umbrella the enemies of globalisation place themselves? Do you agree with the underdog that Greece was never a democracy, contrary to popular belief? Lastly, have you found your answers to your biologically oriented question?

[boomerang]

bananiot, personally i like it when they squirm, become voiceless, exploding head gaskets and attempted thread derailment, but at the end of the day they all come home to daddy...and daddy awaits them with open arms...

[kimon07]

Syrian Christians fear genocide if Assad falls.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/syria ... falls.html

Unfortunately, all they need to do is look all around them, to Iraq, where the Christian population has been decimated, and to Egypt, where many who can flee are also doing so. There is every reason to believe that Syria's case would follow the same pattern. "Syrian Christians Fear Genocide if al-Assad Falls to Muslim Extremists," by Bruce Walker for the New American, February 10 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Catholic bishops are warning that if the Bashar al-Assad (left) regime in Syria falls to Islamists, there may well be a mass genocide of Christians, such as seen in Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein. Though Christians cannot support the brutality of the Assad dictatorship, few believe that rule by Muslim extremists will be any better.
Syria — home to Damascus, one of the most important cities of the ancient world and of special religious significance to Christians — has long had a tolerant attitude toward religious minorities. Syria's Christians — estimated to be about 10 percent of the population, or 2.5 million — cherish this tradition of non-religious government. The Ba'athist Party of Syria had a counterpart in the Ba'athist Party of Iraq, whose last leader was Saddam Hussein. The party was actually founded by Michael Aflaq, a Syrian Christian, and although there are many objectionable features to its politics (it is, for example, overtly socialist), people of all faiths were able to live in relative safety even in a Syria in which the overwhelming majority of the inhabitants are Muslims.
Ignatius Joseph III, Patriarch of the Syrian Catholic Church, explained the plight of the Syrian Christians:
"The Christians in Syria face a dilemma. They are morally obligated to support the protestors, but if Assad falls, sectarian strife could ravage the country and Islamic terrorists will target Christians as they have in Iraq and Egypt. If they support Assad and he falls they could be targets for revenge. That is why the Christian community in Syria is largely silent, not knowing what to do."
Gwendolyn Cates, a filmmaker who has produced documentaries on religious minorities in the Middle East, agrees that Assad's is “a very repressive regime,” but also notes that Syria has been open to religious refugees who flooded the country after the rise of the Islamic regime in Iraq. She has interviewed Christians who have left Syria, and relates that the situation of those still in the country is grim.
David Wood, a Christian activist who focuses on radical Islam, notes:
"Assad is brutal, but he’s equally brutal towards everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim. If Islamists take over the country, and they most certainly will if the secular regime falls, they will be every bit as brutal as Assad, but they will not treat people equally. Christians will be in quite a bit of trouble."
A church leader in Syria who fears to make his identity known, spoke of the peril to Christians:
"Look at what happened in Egypt and Iraq. Christians want to peacefully go out and ask for certain changes, but Islamist groups are sneaking in with their goal, which is not to make Syria better but to take over the country with their agenda. Christians will be the first to pay if this happens."
Others have predicted the dangerous position for the few Christians who might remain if there is a general exodus of Christians. The more who flee, the smaller the Christian vote in any democratic process as well as the smaller the Christian presence in community life, where many of the Christians in Syria have deep and ancient roots in their homeland.
Disturbingly, the U.S. government has been vocally supporting “democratic movements” in Syria, as it has in Egypt and Libya.

[kimon07]

What did I tell you?

Hague compares Syria to Bosnia.
By Paul Goodman
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/theto ... libya.html

The Foreign Secretary said yesterday that British military intervention in Syria "can't be ruled out". One would expect Mr Hague not to close down options - since he is cautious soul - but what followed can be read as more suggestive: he compared Syria to Bosnia, saying that the country "is looking more like Bosnia in the 1990s, being on the edge of a sectarian conflict in which neighbouring villages are attacking and killing each other. So I don't think we can rule anything out".

As the Times (£) points out in its report this morning, Bosnia eventually saw a NATO bombing campaign of air strikes, the commitment of 12,000 British troops and the eventual installation of Paddy Ashdown as "the Viceroy of Bosnia" - or the High Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina, as he was properly known. So was the Foreign Secretary hinting that he is willing to see Britain play a major part in a similar venture, following the Coalition's military intervention in Libya?

[kimon07]

URGENT

NATO preparing vast disinformation campaign
by Thierry Meyssan

Member States of NATO and the GCC are preparing a coup d’état and a sectarian genocide in Syria.
If you want to prevent these crimes, you should act now: circulate this article on the Internet and alert your elected officials.
Voltaire Network | Damascus (Syria) | 11 June 2012

In a few days, perhaps as early as Friday, June 15, at noon, the Syrians wanting to watch their national TV stations will see them replaced on their screens by TV programs created by the CIA. Studio-shot images will show massacres that are blamed on the Syrian Government, people demonstrating, ministers and generals resigning from their posts, President Al-Assad fleeing, the rebels gathering in the big city centers, and a new government installing itself in the presidential palace.
This operation of disinformation, directly managed from Washington by Ben Rhodes, the US deputy national security adviser for strategic communication, aims at demoralizing the Syrians in order to pave the way for a coup d’etat. NATO, discontent about the double veto of Russia and China, will thus succeed in conquering Syria without attacking the country illegally. Whichever judgment you might have formed on the actual events in Syria, a coup d’etat will end all hopes of democratization.

Read more:
http://www.voltairenet.org/NATO-prepari ... nformation