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[barouti]

i am not sure about you but this reads, greece went from having a flag on a rock, losing the right to put a flag again, spelling the once greek territty now a grey area...and you call this not a humiliation?...here what one the papers said in greece...‘Humiliation’

Ok, I'm saying Turkey blinked first and you're saying Turkey was victorious. Fine. It's a circle argument where we won't reach any sort of concordance. Am sure the forum Turks are reading your posts and applauding you much to the envy of banananiot.

and you want me to post this on the WAFF?...for what?... so the turks can have additional laughs?...are you for real?...it was a total humiliation...greece failled miserably in securing her right over the rocks and you think they will fight for cyprus?...but in your books turkey blinked first, end of argument?...errr ok...

Why not? You're giving the Turks additional laughs in this forum. Why stop here? It's them who are occupying 37% of Cyprus, not Greece, and whom you are giving reasons to not only justify it but continue with the occupation. So you're argument is Greece is feeble and the cause of the occupation, and Turkey is all mighty and therefore deserves to be in the north. Sure. You're obviously a turcophile Cypriot.

Mind you at that time greece was more equipped than turkey and she could have won any conflict with ease, she opted for the pussy clause...so she could get a pat on the back from the yanks...total sell out...

Ha ha, you've caught yourself out not only clueless regarding history but also on military matters. Firstly, Turcoland (that same turcoland you've been blowing kisses to in this thread) has always had the numerical superiority in arms and manpower (hint: they have a larger population hence armed forces) so how you figure we were better equipped, well, you do believe Grivas came back from the dead to participate in the 1974 coup . And especially in Jan 1996 they also had the technological advantage especially with its airforce. It was this crisis that prompted Greece to become a major arms importer in the latter 90's and early 21st century and where we got out F-16 Block 50's and 52's as well as our Patriots SAMS and LeoIIA6's to tip at least the techonologically balance in our favour. Your foot. You need to stop putting it in your mouth.

i like your responce on the it wasn't the greeks, it was karamanlis that signed away the right for turkey in staying in cyprus on the never never...see the problem with you wannaby greeks , you tend to always blame some one else rather than your own shortcomings...it was the junta, it was karamanlis, it was papandreou...and the same with greece's financial woes...conspiracies in abundance...

Ha ha, Karamanlis was also a Greek. How you come to the conlusion that I'm not blaming the Greeks is actually mind-baffling. So do you consider Karamanlis not to be a Greek just like the Kyproi...

on the double enosis, what's there to say...we have a kind of a double enosis prior to '74 with the whole of the island intact...why the coup and the risk in '74?...

You still havent provided any evidence that Greece agreed to divide the island with the Turks...

barouti were you in favour or against the 1974 coup...

Have already responded to this but what the hell in this thread, sure.

to everything else you posted...yawn...

Well, you more or less did reply to everything I posted so what are you exactly yawning at

PS...yes fantaros, i know mike murpy way before you joined the waff...coaldie says hello...

You think I'm fantaros from Waff...

Okay, why not. And I'll, let's say, consider you Evropeos from Spartan Queen's forum...

[boomerang]

not only greece sat on her ass in '74 and there after, but she lost sovereignity with the imia crisis...so understandably greece did nothing in '74...why would she?...she didn't even bother guarding her own borders...

i have a suspicion greece will lose a lot more in the near future...

[Lordo]

in the 60s when georgadjis started his war to get rid of the tcs and realised he will not be able to do so he called the greek bignob in cyprus and asked for some help. the greek bignob told him that he had no intention of starting a war with turkey and to just get stuffed. he then picked up a megaphone and went to the camp where they were at and started calling the soldiers out to do their duty. not one soldier volunteered.

what actually made the greek cypriots think that in 1974 that will be any different.

[barouti]

Ha ha ha, re Boom-Boom, if I was someone who just joined the forum I would have thought you were a turcoglu especially the way an actual turcoglu (that being lordoglu) supported your post. Let's take this into perspective. As a mainland Greek, I demand justice and the reunification of Cyprus. And you would think as a Kypreo you and I would be one the same side. But instead you posts have us on opposing sides and a turcoglu, who supports the partition of Cyprus, is agreeing with you instead. Tsk tsk, are you sure your on the side of Cyprus?

[Viewpoint]

Barut do you know what union means for TCs? please give us your perspective.

[supporttheunderdog]

...apart for starting the problem, then walking away with her tail between her legs and head bowed down...

Um, that was the Junta, those poustides who all died in prison like the dogs they were.

A little know fact, which thanks to the Greek leftists we don't hear much about. The Greek leftists yammer away about the Polytechnio as the catalyst for the fall of the Junta, but in fact that event was concocted that night so the Junta could have an excuse to get rid of Col. Papadopoulos. The Junta didnt fear these students. What they did fear was an uprising by sections of the armed forces ie within the Right and not the Left. The Velos mutiny of the Hellenic Navy was the first attempt to oust the Junta. It was a real threat because as I already mentioned it was within the armed forces and not the yelling and chest-beating of some ideologically-driven students who were absolutely no threat to the dictatorship. And what this did was make the Junta dogs paranoid. So when Turkey invaded Cyprus and war with Greece seemed inevitable, the reserves went to their allocated stores to get their weapons only to find them empty. Yep, the Junta dogs left Greece defenseless because they were afraid these stores would be used in a popular uprising against them. So yep, Greece was caught with her pants down, unlike 1964 when we were ready to rumble. Of course as a result of the failed coup in Cyprus and the British supported Turkish invasion, and the confusion that followed, the political machinations came into play. The American policy was to make sure there wasn't a war between two Nato nations at the height of the Cold War. It might sound lame to you, but Greece was coaxed not to go to war. Proof of this was the return of Constantine Karamanlis, an American lackey. He agreed to the Zurich agreement of 1960. Take note, George Papanedreou (not the dancing clown, his grandfather) was against it. But the Junta had pushed him out of Greek politics much to the satisfaction of the Americans and a true Hellenic hero died soon after. Anyway, Karamanlis would have most likely been "advised" by the Americans to sit back and they would take care of it. Oh well, let's not ponder on the "what ifs". Almost 40 years later, and despite the British, reuniting the island is both US and EU policy thanks to Greece.

did she come to our rescue?...no
did she attack turkey?...no

Eldyk fought valiantly for Cyprus. Together with the galant National Guard and despite the overwhelming odds, we prevented the Turks from taking Nicosia airport. And it was Eldyk that led to the Turks bombing their own warship Kotzatepe. As it happened, when Eldyk spotted the vessel they sent a fake radio message that fooled the Turks into thinking it was Greek. Well, they not only attacked their own warship but attempted to cover it up by renaming another vessel of the same class as Kotzatepe, but it didnt work.

what did greece do when the drilling started...nothing, a bit of verbal diarrhea...unlike real nations like israel...

Come on, man, your intelligent enough to know the answer. Why should we when Israel is in the picture. No body fuks with zee Jews, and the Turks know this. Their fist-waving was purely for internal consumption. The average Turks is an ignorant peasant. Recently one of them found a dead bird tagged by Tel Aviv Uni and it made headlines that it was a spy sent by Israel. Nuff said about that.

1974 was an opportunity that the Turks grabbed. And the British supported it. Greece was in disarray. It's not an excuse but how it actually it was. It's been Greece who has made sure a resolution that the division is something to be resolved and not accepted. Greece could have easily said, okay you take the north and we take the south. We did not. Enosi still exists but not that between Greece and Cyprus (we've already achieved it through the EU) but about reuniting the island. And despite all the chest-beating and modern Turkey's only actually military action in 1974, it now remains a paper tiger. The Imia crisis in 1996 proved it. Despite Turkey at the time having the advantage in airpower, we stood our ground and it was the Turks who ran to the Americans to intervene. Anyone doubts me? Well, it's in Bill "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Clinton's memiors:

so history tells us if any problems start you can't really tell me greece will come to our rescue...

1974 yes, whose circumstances I explained above. 1964 proved otherwise as we were ready to roll for Cyprus, which prompted the Americans to threaten to isolate Turkey. Recently, when Cyprus was increasing ties with Israel, we spoke in the UN in support of Palestinian statehood. And let's not forget 2004 when we got Cyprus into the EU. Don't believe anything else, we threatened to block the then anticipated expansion of the EU if Cypriot membership was not accepted. Greece's politicians might have made a bordello of the economy but with foreign policy, mate, we've made all the right moves. Despite the rapproachment with Israel, the Arabs still like us more than the Turks.

the best move was getting chummy with the jews...real men, and not pussies...

Oh yeah, indeed the best move. Zee Turcos will not dare take on the zee Jews. Zee Jews do not want to be isolated and being chummy with two EU nations (well five if you include Bulgaria, Romania and guilt-ridden Germany) kind of tickles them. Besides, why is Israel such a pariah anyway. It's a Mediterranean democracy with an advanced economy. They're our natural allies.

the reziliki continues...

Now, now Boom-Boom, we have to be in this together

I saw a site elsewhere which suggested the British did not support the invasion but wanted to send ships to intervene in the area and stop it, but they in turn were stopped by the Americans..

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/kissinger-and-callaghan-s-unknown-tug-war-over-cyprus-crisis/20100817
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/war-over-cyprus-was-vetoed-by-us-says-callaghan-1125364.html
http://books.google.com.cy/books?id=4dotrHSZLGUC&pg=PA187&lpg=PA187&dq=cyprus+callaghan&source=bl&ots=yP0Ch2q75V&sig=kTLh9WybjIdsfG8EONu1ClKWtus&hl=en&sa=X&ei=P0YfUM-lC6mp0QXJu4FI&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=cyprus%20callaghan&f=false

[barouti]

I saw a site elsewhere which suggested the British did not support the invasion but wanted to send ships to intervene in the area and stop it, but they in turn were stopped by the Americans.

Ha ha ha, nice try to do a Pontius Pilate and wash your hands. Because you really can't win. Fact is you supported the invasion so to assure you keep the bases as well as payback for the EOKA heroes humliating you. You're best to stick with this truth that its always been your policy to support the ethnic-cleansing and division of our island rather than blame the Americans, which only reaffirms what you've become today, their lapdogs.

[Cap]

I'm sorry to say this, but if the sh** ever hits the fan again, I have absolutely no faith in Greece.
History has taught us, time and time again.

[DT.]

Small country ran by individuals with egos fit to run the USA. I'd stop blaming everyone else and get to grips with the fact that we simply didn't play "ball" at the time and got screwed,

[Jerry]

I saw a site elsewhere which suggested the British did not support the invasion but wanted to send ships to intervene in the area and stop it, but they in turn were stopped by the Americans.

Ha ha ha, nice try to do a Pontius Pilate and wash your hands. Because you really can't win. Fact is you supported the invasion so to assure you keep the bases as well as payback for the EOKA heroes humliating you. You're best to stick with this truth that its always been your policy to support the ethnic-cleansing and division of our island rather than blame the Americans, which only reaffirms what you've become today, their lapdogs.

Barouti, STUD has given three references to support the claim that Britain wanted to stop the Turkish invasion. The report in the Independent is quite detailed. Perhaps you can offer some evidence that Britain supported the invasion instead of expecting us to believe your view. Britain had no reason to "assure you keep the bases", who was going to take them away, the National Guard?

Evidence please.