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[wyoming cowboy]

@boom......I am 100% positive you will be eating your anti-Greek words soon....dont be too surprised that by the end of this economic fiasco in europe, Greece and Cyprus will end up saving the euro and the European Union......It may seem like a paradox to you today, but my speculative guess tells me that the above statement will come true......And no Greece will NOT leave the euro, thats included with my speculative guess.

yes i know, greece is running workshops to unsuspecting eu members on how to cheat and connive...and how these practises are gonna save the eurozone...

greece has no industry to start off with...

here is one for you WC...if all the debts were forgiven, how long do you think it would take greece to reach the same level as today?...i would say 6 months on the back of all their experience...

please feel free and amuze us with your speculative, read laxative, thoughts WC...

ofcourse greece will not leave the eurozone...greeks might be conniving thieving liers but they know which of the bread is buttered...

billions have been made making speculative guesses...."when everyone is selling, i would buy, when everyone was buying i would sell" Jesse Livermore

[boomerang]

@boom......I am 100% positive you will be eating your anti-Greek words soon....dont be too surprised that by the end of this economic fiasco in europe, Greece and Cyprus will end up saving the euro and the European Union......It may seem like a paradox to you today, but my speculative guess tells me that the above statement will come true......And no Greece will NOT leave the euro, thats included with my speculative guess.

yes i know, greece is running workshops to unsuspecting eu members on how to cheat and connive...and how these practises are gonna save the eurozone...

greece has no industry to start off with...

here is one for you WC...if all the debts were forgiven, how long do you think it would take greece to reach the same level as today?...i would say 6 months on the back of all their experience...

please feel free and amuze us with your speculative, read laxative, thoughts WC...

ofcourse greece will not leave the eurozone...greeks might be conniving thieving liers but they know which of the bread is buttered...

billions have been made making speculative guesses...."when everyone is selling, i would buy, when everyone was buying i would sell" Jesse Livermore

ofcourse if you meant selling greek islands, different story...how much for lesbos with all the stock ?...can you enlighten us with some speculative pricing?...
is this what you are referring as speculative?...

let me break it down for you, as everyone knows the american comprehension ain't and never was worth more than a couple of cents...in what context did you mean greece is gonna save the EU in your speculative/laxative thinking...because here you ain't talking buying and selling...

[wyoming cowboy]

you're too blinded with bitterness to actually see whats right under your nose.....

[boomerang]

you're too blinded with bitterness to actually see whats right under your nose.....

nothing huh?...just practising your new learnt word for the day huh?...

actually WC, why am I bitter?...care to share your "speculative" thoughts on this?...or were you just practising yesterday's learnt word?...

stating facts and the obvious does not make you a hater mr...i do not need to wish for anything mr, it's fast unravelling on its own for everyone to see...it is said fools and idiots aren't tune with reality, instead they turn into fish that hide their heads thinking, hooray no one can see me know...you greatly remind me of a pond fish WC...whilst colourful, next to useless...

[wyoming cowboy]

you're too blinded with bitterness to actually see whats right under your nose.....

nothing huh?...just practising your new learnt word for the day huh?...

actually WC, why am I bitter?...care to share your "speculative" thoughts on this?...or were you just practising yesterday's learnt word?...

stating facts and the obvious does not make you a hater mr...i do not need to wish for anything mr, it's fast unravelling on its own for everyone to see...it is said fools and idiots aren't tune with reality, instead they turn into fish that hide their heads thinking, hooray no one can see me know...you greatly remind me of a pond fish WC...whilst colourful, next to useless...

You need to learn economic theory first, this is a good beginning for you....This isnt a Greek economic mess, its a world economic mess, that mimics and came close to the Great Depression....

Watch this, its over an hour long, i know your attention span is limited but do your best




come back later today and ill give you another lesson

[Bananiot]

Really, it is much more simple, you do not need to be an economist to understand the problems of Greece. In fact, Greece has gone through this phase on a number of occasions in its history as a modern state. Basically, because of corruption and megalomaniac ideas, Greece went bankrupt on a number of occasions. In 1986, for example, after Greece lost the war she started against Turkey because of the stupidity of the zealots at the time, she had to pay huge compensations to Turkey and went under international fiscal control in 1987. Deliyiannis who earlier ousted Trikoupis (very democratically in elections where he promised the people that he would abolish taxes) started a stupid war against Turkey and when the Turkish army reached Athens, only the interception of the Tzar saved the day for the Greeks. But, bankruptcy could not be avoided due to the huge compensations Greece was forced to pay to Turkey. I am not sure if Germany was blamed at the time, but the way Greeks think has not changed much since then. Surely not for the better and do you know why?

Read Vasilis Rafaelides! He died in the 1990's but at the end of his story (in the exceptionally prophetic book of his "History (tragicomic) of modern Greece) " of how Greece went bankrupt in 1897 he says: "The next time Greece goes under international fiscal control, this will last for 200 years, at the end of which there would probably be no Greece. The Greeks will eat Greece, together with her debt". At the back of this book Rafaelides wrote:

"Oι λαοι δεν εχουν μονο ηρωες. Εχουν και καθαρματα. Στην ιστορια ενος τοπου δεν ανηκουν μονο οι ηρωες ανηκουν και τα καθαρματα, που και αυτα γραφουν ιστορια. Εν παση περιπτωσει,η ιστορια ενος τοπου δεν ειναι μονο μια σειρα απο θετικα γεγονοτα.Τουτη η συνοπτικη ιστορια της Ελλαδας, απο το 1930 εως το 1974, που γραφτηκε για να ειναι κατ αρχην ενα ευχαριστο αναγνωσμα, επιμενει περισσοτερο στα θετικα παρα στα αρνητικα σημεια της ιστοριας μας. Δινει μεγαλυτερη σημασια στους προδοτες, τους δοσιλογους, ολων των περιοδων, τους πατριδοκαπηλους που δεν ελειψαν ποτε, παρα σε αυτους που νοιαστηκαν ειλικρινα για τουτον τον δυσμοιρο τοπο,που συνεχιζει να υποφερει απο ελλειψη ιστορικης ειλικρινειας.

Οι ρητορες των δυο εθνικων επετειων μας, που ειναι δυο, διοτι μια ισως δεν φτανει για να καταλαβουμε πως ειμαστε Ελληνες, δεν θα βρουν τιποτα χρησιμο για αυτους σε τουτο το βιβλιο. Οι δασκαλοι ομως θα μπορουσαν να το χρησιμοποιησουν, σαν βοηθημα αλλα και σαν συμπληρωμα, στις επισημες λογοκριμενες σχολικες ιστοριες, που στοχευουν μαλλον στην αποβλακωση, παρα στην εγρηγορση των Ελληνοπαιδων, που οντας βουτηγμενα απο τρυφερας ηλικιας στο θεσμοθετημενο ιστορικο ψέμμα, θα ηταν παραλογο να περιμενει κανεις, να γινουν καποτε υπευθυνοι και εντιμοι πολιτες, ενος κρατους γεματου απατεωνες! Αυτό το βιβλίο αγαπάει την Ελλάδα. Και γι' αυτό δεν την κολακεύει. Λέει τα σύκα, σύκα, και τους προδότες, προδότες και όχι εθνικούς ήρωες. Θα μπορούσε να έχει τίτλο «Αρνητική Ιστορία της Νέας Ελλάδας», αν η άρνηση δεν ήταν αναγκαία για την κατάφαση. Συνεπώς, αυτό το βιβλίο στοχεύει την κατάφαση μέσα από την άρνηση, κατά την προτροπή του Τέοντορ Αντόρνο".

[boomerang]

you're too blinded with bitterness to actually see whats right under your nose.....

nothing huh?...just practising your new learnt word for the day huh?...

actually WC, why am I bitter?...care to share your "speculative" thoughts on this?...or were you just practising yesterday's learnt word?...

stating facts and the obvious does not make you a hater mr...i do not need to wish for anything mr, it's fast unravelling on its own for everyone to see...it is said fools and idiots aren't tune with reality, instead they turn into fish that hide their heads thinking, hooray no one can see me know...you greatly remind me of a pond fish WC...whilst colourful, next to useless...

You need to learn economic theory first, this is a good beginning for you....This isnt a Greek economic mess, its a world economic mess, that mimics and came close to the Great Depression....

Watch this, its over an hour long, i know your attention span is limited but do your best




come back later today and ill give you another lesson

yeah maybe i should enquire about a masters in bullshitology, just to keep my head above water when it comes to your indepth knowledge of bullshit...

[wyoming cowboy]

Really, it is much more simple, you do not need to be an economist to understand the problems of Greece. In fact, Greece has gone through this phase on a number of occasions in its history as a modern state. Basically, because of corruption and megalomaniac ideas, Greece went bankrupt on a number of occasions. In 1986, for example, after Greece lost the war she started against Turkey because of the stupidity of the zealots at the time, she had to pay huge compensations to Turkey and went under international fiscal control in 1987. Deliyiannis who earlier ousted Trikoupis (very democratically in elections where he promised the people that he would abolish taxes) started a stupid war against Turkey and when the Turkish army reached Athens, only the interception of the Tzar saved the day for the Greeks. But, bankruptcy could not be avoided due to the huge compensations Greece was forced to pay to Turkey. I am not sure if Germany was blamed at the time, but the way Greeks think has not changed much since then. Surely not for the better and do you know why?

Read Vasilis Rafaelides! He died in the 1990's but at the end of his story (in the exceptionally prophetic book of his "History (tragicomic) of modern Greece) " of how Greece went bankrupt in 1897 he says: "The next time Greece goes under international fiscal control, this will last for 200 years, at the end of which there would probably be no Greece. The Greeks will eat Greece, together with her debt". At the back of this book Rafaelides wrote:

"Oι λαοι δεν εχουν μονο ηρωες. Εχουν και καθαρματα. Στην ιστορια ενος τοπου δεν ανηκουν μονο οι ηρωες ανηκουν και τα καθαρματα, που και αυτα γραφουν ιστορια. Εν παση περιπτωσει,η ιστορια ενος τοπου δεν ειναι μονο μια σειρα απο θετικα γεγονοτα.Τουτη η συνοπτικη ιστορια της Ελλαδας, απο το 1930 εως το 1974, που γραφτηκε για να ειναι κατ αρχην ενα ευχαριστο αναγνωσμα, επιμενει περισσοτερο στα θετικα παρα στα αρνητικα σημεια της ιστοριας μας. Δινει μεγαλυτερη σημασια στους προδοτες, τους δοσιλογους, ολων των περιοδων, τους πατριδοκαπηλους που δεν ελειψαν ποτε, παρα σε αυτους που νοιαστηκαν ειλικρινα για τουτον τον δυσμοιρο τοπο,που συνεχιζει να υποφερει απο ελλειψη ιστορικης ειλικρινειας.

Οι ρητορες των δυο εθνικων επετειων μας, που ειναι δυο, διοτι μια ισως δεν φτανει για να καταλαβουμε πως ειμαστε Ελληνες, δεν θα βρουν τιποτα χρησιμο για αυτους σε τουτο το βιβλιο. Οι δασκαλοι ομως θα μπορουσαν να το χρησιμοποιησουν, σαν βοηθημα αλλα και σαν συμπληρωμα, στις επισημες λογοκριμενες σχολικες ιστοριες, που στοχευουν μαλλον στην αποβλακωση, παρα στην εγρηγορση των Ελληνοπαιδων, που οντας βουτηγμενα απο τρυφερας ηλικιας στο θεσμοθετημενο ιστορικο ψέμμα, θα ηταν παραλογο να περιμενει κανεις, να γινουν καποτε υπευθυνοι και εντιμοι πολιτες, ενος κρατους γεματου απατεωνες! Αυτό το βιβλίο αγαπάει την Ελλάδα. Και γι' αυτό δεν την κολακεύει. Λέει τα σύκα, σύκα, και τους προδότες, προδότες και όχι εθνικούς ήρωες. Θα μπορούσε να έχει τίτλο «Αρνητική Ιστορία της Νέας Ελλάδας», αν η άρνηση δεν ήταν αναγκαία για την κατάφαση. Συνεπώς, αυτό το βιβλίο στοχεύει την κατάφαση μέσα από την άρνηση, κατά την προτροπή του Τέοντορ Αντόρνο".

Dear teacher, Bananiot, i hope you serve strong coffee with your lectures......yawn yawn...look up Bernie Madoff, and you'll see real corruption to the tune of 50 billion dollars.....All western economies are going through a restructuring/reform stage nowadays, Greece is no exception.....

[barouti]

even grivas the greek implant agreed...

are the greeks in cyprus happy their idol sold them out?...

"Greeks in Cyprus" ??? So you acknowledge there are Greeks in Cyprus!

Re what you posted, well, I was under the impression you were claiming that Greece had agreed to partition with the Turks. Well, if that is so you haven't provided any documentation proving it. Ok, you provided a link to a dead forum, macedoniaontheweb, and some other articles, but none which support your tin-foil hat theory of Greece agreeing to the partition of Cyprus.

Ok, let me put it this way, Boom Boom, your anti-Greek rantings (and that's what they are as you really havent put forth and articulate arguments or provided any reliable source or documentation) all they do is make the Turks glee and applaud you as they say to each other "we were right to invade". Because by demonizing Greece, actually blaming everything on Greece is really supporting Turkish propaganda. Hence, your posts do nothing for Cyprus or a just solution but instead support the Turkish occupation. That really doesn't make you much of a patriot, does it. It makes you an accomplice to the occupation, sorry to say. So keep blabbering away about zee evil Griks and paranoic conspiracy theories as much as you like, but the reality is the Turks and British (ie those who applaud your posts) support a permanent division ie TRNC...Greece does not.

[barouti]

Barouti is a man on a mission, it seems. Greece was ready to ramble in 1964, he boasts. In reality, the Turkish air force was bombing Kokkina during the day and the Royal Greek air force, made sporadic, short appearances over Nicosia during the night. To boost the moral of the GC's. Of course the Americas are to blame again for not allowing Greece to teach those Turks a lesson. Enough with the fairy tales Barouti, we have lost half of our country ... leave us alone!

To quote: leave us alone!

Ha ha ha, is that so Banananiot. You're telling a Kalamaride to stay out of Cyprus' affairs and yet seem very, very opinionated with Greece's internal affairs. So if you don't see yourself as Greek then why so concerned what happens in zee evil land of the Kalamarades. But of course, it's the lure of the motherland. And you may try to hold some logical highground over me as you're a Cypriot, but I obviously give me of a shit over Cyprus than you do. Reading your posts, I see a lot of butt-kissing towards the Turks. You're not different from the Lefty Epialtes in Greece. Their idea of rapproachment with the Turks consists of appeasement ie whatever you demand we shall give if it means you will like us. And of course its all about finding not commin interests but common hatred particularly against Greek patriotism. And that's exactly what makes you a hypocrite. You're bent on hating all right-wing and patriot Greeks, in both Greece and Cyprus, and letting them know it, and yet take a soft and butt-kissing attitude with right-wing Turks. Because you are obviously so stupid to realise the obvious: THE TURKS WANT A DIVIDED CYPRUS!!! By blaming everything on Greece all you're doing is confirming the Turkish nationalist mythology that the invasion was about stopping the alleged genocide against the TC's and not the real reason which was realising their policy of taksim. Geeze, you're such a fool. And no, I will continue to express my opinions on Cyprus especially since I will argue with historical facts and keep reminding the indoctrinated Turks that 1974 was about Taksim. And it's Greeks like me, both in Greece and Cyprus, that will make no concessions to the Turks. Because their ultimate goal is for permanent division so they can then annex the north. And you're an accomplice to this.