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[kimon07]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA7bAUp- ... r_embedded

[supporttheunderdog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA7bAUp-hiI&feature=player_embedded

the City may be in what is now Greece but the city (founded no later than 2800 BC) long predates the mislabelled Mycenean civilisation by at least 800 years. The palace societies now labelled as Mycenaean only developed in 1600BC or so, following contact with the Minoan Palace societies.

[kimon07]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA7bAUp-hiI&feature=player_embedded

the City may be in what is now Greece but the city (founded no later than 2800 BC) long predates the mislabelled Mycenean civilisation by at least 800 years. The palace societies now labelled as Mycenaean only developed in 1600BC or so, following contact with the Minoan Palace societies.

Didn't have time to watch it carefully. So it goes back 1500 years brfore the Trojan war? Fantastic.

[supporttheunderdog]

Yes a remarkable find. We dismiss and/or underestimate the level of skill and knowledge of ancient peoples at our peril, they even developed an early version of the fake goods scam...

In some cases they made exact ceramic copies of high status Cretan bronze jugs - in effect making cheap copies of expensive exotic goods in much the same way that desirable designer brands are copied today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15191614

[kimon07]

Yes a remarkable find. We dismiss and/or underestimate the level of skill and knowledge of ancient peoples at our peril, they even developed an early version of the fake goods scam...

In some cases they made exact ceramic copies of high status Cretan bronze jugs - in effect making cheap copies of expensive exotic goods in much the same way that desirable designer brands are copied today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15191614

From your link:

Such an operation would have required an advanced level of administration and accounting to keep track of imports and exports.
It would have required written documents and we can assume that in common with the finds of Linear A tablets from Minoan sites and Linear B tablets from Mycenaean sites - the first evidence of writing in Europe - some form of script was known and used at Pavlopetri - although no definite evidence has so far been found.

Pavlopetri was part of the birth of a new type of city in Europe. Not one based around a god-like king or sacred palatial structure, but rather one based on trade and economics.

Can you accept that such an advanced community, people who could build such houses etc, didn't have a fully developed script?

[supporttheunderdog]

Yes a remarkable find. We dismiss and/or underestimate the level of skill and knowledge of ancient peoples at our peril, they even developed an early version of the fake goods scam...

In some cases they made exact ceramic copies of high status Cretan bronze jugs - in effect making cheap copies of expensive exotic goods in much the same way that desirable designer brands are copied today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15191614

From your link:

Such an operation would have required an advanced level of administration and accounting to keep track of imports and exports.
It would have required written documents and we can assume that in common with the finds of Linear A tablets from Minoan sites and Linear B tablets from Mycenaean sites - the first evidence of writing in Europe - some form of script was known and used at Pavlopetri - although no definite evidence has so far been found.

Pavlopetri was part of the birth of a new type of city in Europe. Not one based around a god-like king or sacred palatial structure, but rather one based on trade and economics.

Can you accept that such an advanced community, people who could build such houses etc, didn't have a fully developed script?

House building etc does not depend on a written script: if you look at what the Neolithic peoples did e,g. in the Orkney Islands at the Ness of Brodgar or at Stonehenge, which were both centers of organised societies, they probably did not have a written Script. However with the centralisation of storage and the need to maintain records I think it is a virtual certainty the people of this city had a written script of some sort, or possibly different scripts at differnt times: in the latter period Linear A and before that, bearing in mind Cretan influences, possibly linear B.

[kimon07]

However with the centralisation of storage and the need to maintain records I think it is a virtual certainty the people of this city had a written script of some sort, or possibly different scripts at differnt times: in the latter period Linear A and before that, bearing in mind Cretan influences, possibly linear B.

A first B later rather?

[supporttheunderdog]

yes, of course thanks for correcting - trying to do too much at the same time and the keyboard is playing up!

[yialousa1971]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA7bAUp-hiI&feature=player_embedded

the City may be in what is now Greece but the city (founded no later than 2800 BC) long predates the mislabelled Mycenean civilisation by at least 800 years. The palace societies now labelled as Mycenaean only developed in 1600BC or so, following contact with the Minoan Palace societies.

Lying again.

[supporttheunderdog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA7bAUp-hiI&feature=player_embedded

the City may be in what is now Greece but the city (founded no later than 2800 BC) long predates the mislabelled Mycenean civilisation by at least 800 years. The palace societies now labelled as Mycenaean only developed in 1600BC or so, following contact with the Minoan Palace societies.

Lying again.

Tosser!