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[Alexis]

You are right Alexis. Demanding permanent restrictions to the settlement of Greek Cypriots to North is something awkward and illogical. However some kind of derrogations are needed for a period of time in order to achieve a gradual settlement. If we just let 200000 Greek Cypriots to settle in North, then there will be a chaos I am afraid.

Agreed, there should be an orderly transition period, but I still think that people will be surprised at how few Greek Cypriots will return en masse. To somewhere like Famagusta (which is close to the green line and also a city) and areas surrounding Nicosia (e.g. Kythrea) they might flood back but in general people will tend to want to stay within their communities close to where they work, at least at first, then as the infrastructure in the North develops maybe more will go. If anything here I agree with the UN when they say that many GCs may only want to a second home in the north.

[garbitsch]

So in an agreement, the Greek Cypriots should not be forced and urged to settle in North, and this should be left to the decisions of the individuals. Let the time show what will happen.

[Viewpoint]

So in an agreement, the Greek Cypriots should not be forced and urged to settle in North, and this should be left to the decisions of the individuals. Let the time show what will happen.

Are you prepared to leave it to chance?

there should be safety valves to eleviate TC concerns.

No problem with free movement of people around the island but safety valves concerning property and voting rights are vital.
This would deter any thought or attempt by GC administration to swamp and take control of the TC constituent state by becoming the majority.

[garbitsch]

That's what I've taken into consideration too VP, but permanent restrictions should not be implemented. We can have temporary derrogations (like 10 years), but we cannot just expect Greek Cypriots to accept the permanent restrictions. We should compromise. Can you imagine that a Greek Cypriot will be able to settle and work in Estonia, but will not be able to do the same in his/her country. That's something illogical. As I said, if we have a kind of coexistence with Greek Cypriots, which we can have in that 10 years through special programmes, then we won't mind if there are Greeks around us.

[garbitsch]

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[Main_Source]

sounds logical.

[Viewpoint]

That's what I've taken into consideration too VP, but permanent restrictions should not be implemented. We can have temporary derrogations (like 10 years), but we cannot just expect Greek Cypriots to accept the permanent restrictions. We should compromise. Can you imagine that a Greek Cypriot will be able to settle and work in Estonia, but will not be able to do the same in his/her country. That's something illogical. As I said, if we have a kind of coexistence with Greek Cypriots, which we can have in that 10 years through special programmes, then we won't mind if there are Greeks around us.

I have no problem with GCs who want to come live and work in the North but what does and will create many problems is the rights to purchase property and vote. What do you propose we do about these? Allow unlimited property purchases and voting rights???

[cypezokyli]

i have to agree with garbitch on this one

vp wrote:

I have no problem with GCs who want to come live and work in the North but what does and will create many problems is the rights to purchase property and vote. What do you propose we do about these? Allow unlimited property purchases and voting rights???

the voting system can be arranged in a way with a tc veto.

do you really think we r that rich and our purpose is to buy you out of cyprus? besides i thought you were not that poor. we can even agree to restrictions till the tcs reach the gc economic level.

let aside that i dont know how many gc will be willing at first stage to live in a tc federal state

re viewpoint u r reallly afraid of us and i dont know why
and dont start these 1963 stories. they are 40 years old

u dont mind when land is sold to foreigners as it is currently happening but you mind when it is bought by gcs?

[Alexis]

Hi viewpoint,

I have read many of your posts and respect your point of view. In this case though, having followed the argument through, how can you possibly persuade GCs that through permanent property and voting derrogations that a TC constituent state is any different to say any other EU country?
In which case, would Cyprus really be unified?
The point is not to allow sudden unlimited property purchasing rights and voting rights, but employ a transition period to build up trust between the two communities before these are fully implemented. The details of this transition could be discussed but the end result must surely be a union of states with freedom of movement and residence for all. Voting for any sort of senate could still be done along ethnic lines 50-50 but even this could probably be reformed a much longer period of time (e.g. 40-50 years) as the two communities become reconciled provided everyone agrees.

That's what I've taken into consideration too VP, but permanent restrictions should not be implemented. We can have temporary derrogations (like 10 years), but we cannot just expect Greek Cypriots to accept the permanent restrictions. We should compromise. Can you imagine that a Greek Cypriot will be able to settle and work in Estonia, but will not be able to do the same in his/her country. That's something illogical. As I said, if we have a kind of coexistence with Greek Cypriots, which we can have in that 10 years through special programmes, then we won't mind if there are Greeks around us.

Completely agree here Garbitsch, it's about building up trust. Also remember that the process will work the other way as well. The GCs will have to get used to TCs again as well as the some of the mainland settlers many of whom are likely to stay in Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

cypezokyli

the voting system can be arranged in a way with a tc veto

Allowing GCs that live in the North full voting and representation rights in the north would result in the MPs from the North being GCs. There has to be some restriction and the best way imo would be for GCs to live in the north move around feely but vote for GC MPs in the south to represent them. That way it would ensure that there was no incentive to increase the population in the north and effectively change the balance of government representation allowed for each community.

do you really think we r that rich and our purpose is to buy you out of cyprus? besides i thought you were not that poor. we can even agree to restrictions till the tcs reach the gc economic level.

This was GC policy in the past and seeing that a lot of GCs have the same mindset could be a hidden agneda in the future so we shoudl ensure there is no incentive to do this, what do you suggest where do you place a cap or is it ok for 100% of the north to be GC owned? Wont this encourage the right to representation and voting rights if the they reside in the north and hey presto you will have 100 of the land owned by GCs and most of the TCs representation controlled by GC MPs from the north, its called GC domination, we need permanat safety valves or in time we will be a minority in a GC run island.

let aside that i dont know how many gc will be willing at first stage to live in a tc federal state

Not fooled by that arguement, Gc administration and church will influence people under the heading "Go claim and restore a Hellene Cyprus" can just see it now....

re viewpoint u r reallly afraid of us and i dont know why
and dont start these 1963 stories. they are 40 years old

arent we all guilty of this?

u dont mind when land is sold to foreigners as it is currently happening but you mind when it is bought by gcs?

They do no thave any hidden agendas and we do not have to share power with them, they choose to live under our laws and are welcome.