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[Main_Source]

Enosis was completely justified while we were under rule of the British...

and it good to see you can admit that western 'Turkey' / Asia Minor was culturally Greek before it was invaded.

hmmm, I suppose you think that the Iraq should be a colony of the USA then?

...I also suppose you are a staunch supporter of Israel's occupation too.

[Piratis]

Stop justifying your enosis dreams, we might think you still want it

garbitsch, we do not want it because we accepted long time already that we made this compromise and now we feel good that we have RoC. Personally (and I believe most GCs) would reject enosis today.

Yes, during the British rule the demand for enosis was perfectly justified.
No, we do not have such a demand now.

Isn't it time for TCs to forget about their "taksim" dream, which apart from maximalistic it is also illegal since it is based on human rights violations and ethnic cleansing?

[Viewpoint]

Stop justifying your enosis dreams, we might think you still want it

garbitsch, we do not want it because we accepted long time already that we made this compromise and now we feel good that we have RoC. Personally (and I believe most GCs) would reject enosis today.

Yes, during the British rule the demand for enosis was perfectly justified.
No, we do not have such a demand now.

Isn't it time for TCs to forget about their "taksim" dream, which apart from maximalistic it is also illegal since it is based on human rights violations and ethnic cleansing?

Piratis you have to change the record, its broken now...

You still had the Enosis dream in 1974, it was only knocked for 6 by Turkey otherwise you would now be a part of Greece and we would be 6ft under ground, push up daisys...

You didnt want the "RoC" either now you want that, make up your minds?? you dont seem like you can be trusted you keep your word and keep changing your minds, whats to say we reach an agreement and you change your minds yet again????

[Piratis]

You still had the Enosis dream in 1974, it was only knocked for 6 by Turkey otherwise you would now be a part of Greece and we would be 6ft under ground, push up daisys...

Who is dreaming is you. There was no "enosis dream" in 74. Apart from a small minority nobody else wanted that. Even many that were big supporters of enosis before 1960, they didn't want enosis in 74, especially since Greece was ruled by an undemocratic regime.

You didn't want the "RoC" either now you want that, make up your minds??

Viewpoint, what we say is clear. Stop playing stupid. I will repeat: The agreement of 1960 was a compromise not what we wanted. Today we do not support our former maximalistic goals (like you do). We support the return to legality and the compromise made in 1960.

you dont seem like you can be trusted you keep your word and keep changing your minds, whats to say we reach an agreement and you change your minds yet again????

It depends on how you will take our agreement. By putting a gun on our head and forcing us to accept your terms, or by reaching an agreement that will create a united democratic Cyprus with respect to human rights and without racist discriminations, that GCs will be very happy to accept?

If you want I will tell you from now: If the agreement you will take is of the "gun on our head" kind, and you continue violating our human rights then yes, don't hope that such kind of agreement will last for long.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Who is dreaming is you. There was no "enosis dream" in 74. Apart from a small minority nobody else wanted that. Even many that were big supporters of enosis before 1960, they didn't want enosis in 74, especially since Greece was ruled by an undemocratic regime.

Ho silly me must have been no coup in 1974, and no pre 1974 desire for Enosis which was fuelled the tide of GC ultra nationalism culminating in the Greek Coup to unite Cyprus to Greece. How innocent your are.

Viewpoint, what we say is clear. Stop playing stupid. I will repeat: The agreement of 1960 was a compromise not what we wanted. Today we do not support our former maximalistic goals (like you do). We support the return to legality and the compromise made in 1960.

You did not support the Agreement of 1960 and it only became valuable after it was in the total control of GCs, as for abandoning maximilistic goals, well your achieved yours in 2004, think hard and you will realize what Im saying.
Of course you support return to 1960 because in 2004 you realized that what was put before you was worse and that you now had to compromise further into 2 component states.
Now its clear the GCs will argue 1960 and we will argue Annan plan lets see which will be brought to the table if we ever get abck to the table of course.

It depends on how you will take our agreement. By putting a gun on our head and forcing us to accept your terms, or by reaching an agreement that will create a united democratic Cyprus with respect to human rights and without racist discriminations, that GCs will be very happy to accept?

If you want I will tell you from now: If the agreement you will take is of the "gun on our head" kind, and you continue violating our human rights then yes, don't hope that such kind of agreement will last for long.

Are you a violent person? you are always on about guns and swings in power and force. No one is putting a gun to your head otherwise you would have said YES to Annan 5. GCs always use that excuse, for agreements they want to get out of, its called being untrustworthy.

[blackley]

Please tell me a country on this planet out of the 212 that exist which give a minority Veto rights in government?

Perhaps the answer lies in the fact that the Greek Cypriot majority had one numerous ocasions stated that it would rid the island of the hated Turkish race that was the enemy of Hellenism. So, naturally, the Turkish Cypriots wanted some kind of guarantee that this would not happen. To this end they insited that Turkey and others act as guarantors against the fanaticism of the easily led Greek Cypriots. If Makarios had waited 20 years for all Cypriots to become prosperous and employed before he decided to change the Constitution how different the outcome would have been. Following the publication of my 440-page novel " Love and Death in Cyprus" I am now working on a new fictional novel "I, Makarios". I would appreciate any anecdotes on this fascinating character who left no memoirs. I wonder why? He said in one interview that he never told lies. Think about that!

[bg_turk]

Please tell me a country on this planet out of the 212 that exist which give a minority Veto rights in government?

The Swiss Federation is a good example. Every canton has a major say in domestic policy concerning that canton and can veto some foreign policy issues too.

[garbitsch]

Even the cantons of Switzerland and the regions of Belgium can have their own foreign relations with other countries and organisations without much interference from the central authority.

[Alexis]

The Swiss Federation is a good example. Every canton has a major say in domestic policy concerning that canton and can veto some foreign policy issues too.

Even the cantons of Switzerland and the regions of Belgium can have their own foreign relations with other countries and organisations without much interference from the central authority.

Remember though, Cyprus was not a federation in the 1960s. In fact the conditions for federation have only been brought about through invasion and forceable displacement of individuals, hardly a good basis for forming a government.
However, places like Switzerland show us that a BBF solution could work as long we stay true to some basic principles. For instance, as long as you are Swiss there are no restrictions on residence in Switzerland. This should also apply in Cyprus. This won't necessarily mean that huge numbers of refugees will swamp any Turkish member state, look at Switzerland, Geneva is majority French-speaking whilst Zurich is majority German-speaking.

[garbitsch]

You are right Alexis. Demanding permanent restrictions to the settlement of Greek Cypriots to North is something awkward and illogical. However some kind of derrogations are needed for a period of time in order to achieve a gradual settlement. If we just let 200000 Greek Cypriots to settle in North, then there will be a chaos I am afraid.