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[Piratis]

So according to your logic we should have no other choice but to accept what they majority want, being Enosis but surely history has given a good lesson in what can happen if you attempt to force what the majority wants on a minority that minority has "mutually agreed partnership rights"

Before 1960 there was no kind of agreement. Cyprus was a colonized area. Again I will repeat that "Integration with an independent State." should have been an option for the people of this island. An option that was not given to us.
Regarding the "history lessons", it is nothing new. You and the British had the power to force on us what you wanted. Be warned that this "lesson" should be learned both ways, since you will not always be in the strong position as you hope.

why is it so difficult to register that we are not like any other minorities

Your arrogance has no limits. This is nothing new either. You think of yourselves as the super humans that are above democracy and above human rights.

what would you do if we returned and claimed those rights, woudl you still try to bring about and enforce the Akritas plan? stating that we were given to many rights?

In 1960 we made a compromise. You can take your rights based on that compromise but you should give to us our rights also. The ones who insist on illegality it is you, not us.

Plus isnt the effect of the decision of the majority on the majority important, eg entering the EU is a positive for all, whereas union with Greece is a positive for one but not the other.

So who decides when it is positive and when it is not? In both cases a majority thinks this union is positive, and a minority thinks this union is negative. There is no difference. (apart of course that TCs are the "super minority" unlike any other)

You appear so hypercrictical about human rights where were these values you cliam to be champions of today in the 1960s when GCs were economically strangling TCs and encouraging them to go work and live abroad.

You mean that 1 decade? I never claimed that GCs were perfect during their whole history. However that one decade is nothing compared to the centuries of oppression and the 3 decades of occupation that you caused against us.
That one decade is part of our past while in your case even today, as we speak, you continue your tradition of human rights violations and illegality. Will you never change?

To come back on topic, the Cyprus problem wouldn't exist if the colonialists simply gave to the people of Cyprus the options that should be given to every colony that is liberated. This is the root of the problem.

[Viewpoint]

Put more plainly Enosis? ,same mentality even in 2005 frightening....

[andytandreou]

The reality that we Cypriots are unable, inept and not committed to finding a solution will hit you sooner or later, like is has done to many Cypriots since the referendum.

You know what... It just did! You deserve to be back in Turkey my friend.

[Piratis]

Put more plainly Enosis? ,same mentality even in 2005 frightening....

Viewpoint, if you forgot already the topic is "What is the Cyprus problem". What I described above is the root of the problem, that started long before 1960.

I never said that we want enosis today, while apparently you insist on your illegal "Taksim" dream which you base on the violation of human rights and ethnic cleansing (something which has never been your right)

[Viewpoint]

Hard luck my friend, I am not a Turk, I am a Turkish Cypriot through and through and belong in Cyprus as much as you do, Im not going anywhere.

[andytandreou]

Viewpoint has made me think...

If Cyprus tries even harder to kill the TRNC, but i mean really give it some effort this time... And in parrallel we BLOCK turkeys efforts to join the EU until they give us back Northen Cyprus (because let's face it.. everyone agrees that they invaded us and they are in violation of UN regulations and rulings) we can solve the Cyprus problem with our new-found political clout and power. The only real shame is that Cyprus will just have Greek elements and no Turkish ones which will be a shame for the Turkish Cypriots but hey, who cares. In 15 years from now, on the eve of the day Turkey get's into Europe as an official memeber (assuming the Cy-prob remains unsolved) Cyprus should ask Turkey to unconditionaly withdraw from and recognize Cyprus and give back all stolen terittory to it's rightful owners. The future of the TRNC and Turkey rests with Cyprus and if you think otherwise dear viewpoint, just try and show me how the Republic doesn't have the upper hand right now.

[Viewpoint]

Dear andy,

use your veto and you will see the outcome.

I personally feel other countries may do this for you so work hard my friend to keep Turkey on EU track otherwise you will have no leverage what so ever over Turkey....

The only real shame is that Cyprus will just have Greek elements and no Turkish ones which will be a shame for the Turkish Cypriots

Please clarify what you mean exactly??

In 15 years from now, on the eve of the day Turkey get's into Europe as an official memeber (assuming the Cy-prob remains unsolved) Cyprus should ask Turkey to unconditionaly withdraw from and recognize Cyprus and give back all stolen terittory to it's rightful owners.

A lot can change in 15/20 years are you willing to wait???

The future of the TRNC and Turkey rests with Cyprus and if you think otherwise dear viewpoint, just try and show me how the Republic doesn't have the upper hand right now.

Slight over exageration but you can wallow in your new found power if it makes you feel good, if used correctly it could bring positive developements but if used badly could bring a conclusion which I am sure you would also hate.

[garbitsch]

So the Junta and the Greek Cypriots did never pursue the goal of Enosis. Or it was their right to do so... That's why you do not include this to your explanation of the Cyprus Problem. And you ask for justice. How dare you?

Before 1960 Cyprus (then an area, not an independent country) was a British Colony with an 82% Greek population.

If the colonial rule was going to end then the people of this area should have been given the right to make their own choices in a democratic way. If the colonialists allowed that, then yes, it is very probable that the majority of the people of this island would have voted for union with Greece. Do you think this would not be just? Do you think that countries that join the EU with much smaller majority is something unjust?

Do you think that the "Declaration on the Granting of Independence" and resolution 1541 (XV) are also unjust when they state:

A Non-Self-Governing Territory can be said to have
reached a full measure of self-government by:
a. Emergence as a sovereign independent State; or
b. Free association with an independent State; or
c. Integration with an independent State.

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

So how dare you tell me that if the 82% of the population wanted "c", that this was something "unjust"? And accepting not to have that was a major compromise for us. I believe you should appreciate this, instead of trying to force even more compromises from us.

So before 1878 Cyprus was an Ottoman territory with a Greek Cypriot minority. We might claim that Cyprus's sovereignty should have transferred to Turkey, since it was part of Turkey before the British rule. Just like the Aland islands. With a vast Swedish majority, these islands were under the rule of Russians, then Finland's claim of sovereignty was recognised by the international community.
You seek logic in politics. That's your biggest problem Politics is power and choice. Whoever has the power, it writes the laws.

[Main_Source]

huh? Just because the Ottoman empire had Cyprus as a colony, it doesnt mean the Greek Cypriots were a minority.

GC have never been a minority in Cyprus and settled there to make it a culturally Greek island....just like Crete, just like Samos and the other Greek islands. This is what made it viable to join with Greece...it is a culturally Greek island, with influences added to it from invadors and empires.

THe argument you are using gives me the right to say that all the lands from Greece to India should be under Greece, because Alexander the Great once ruled them...which, like the idea that Turkey should annex Cyprus, is a load of crap.

[garbitsch]

As I said. It is politics. If you have the power than you write your own laws just like the current world has been shaping around the power of bigger states.
So according to your logic, the Western part of Turkey should also be unified with Greece, since these lands were colonised by Ottomans. Stop justifying your enosis dreams, we might think you still want it