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[andytandreou]

Your priviledge to think that way, but reality and our past trak record dictates that we as Cypriots are unable and inept at resolving our own issues so until a time when we come to our senses and realize that we are both wrong and take that major step forward for a common goal we will be divided for a very long time to come.

No viewpoint... I can't allow you to believe that we can't live together. We can and we will.... Just imagine Cyprus as it is today, take away the TRNC and Turkish soldiers and settlers... What you are left with is two peace-loving people who can live together for eternity UNLESS ARTIFICIAL BLOCKS AND BARRIERS ARE PUT BETWEEN THEM. Barriers like veto rights of a minority... Turkish Cypriots don't need veto rights!! They have 24 seats in Parliament but they don't need the veto right. We also don't need Greece or Turkey now that we have Europe.

You see viewpoint, you cannot seriously expect me to believe that we will never be able to live together!! Because we once did, for many decades, peacefully. Nicosia was once a whole city. You are just confusing the big theater played by the British from 1960-1975 with reality.

[Viewpoint]

andytandreou dont want to be the one to spoil your utopian dream but,

I can't allow you to believe that we can't live together. We can and we will.

I applaud your optimism under the current circumstancies.

Just imagine Cyprus as it is today, take away the TRNC and Turkish soldiers and settlers

These were included in the Annan plan.

What you are left with is two peace-loving people who can live together for eternity UNLESS ARTIFICIAL BLOCKS AND BARRIERS ARE PUT BETWEEN THEM

Are you referring to the 1960 constitution that you cling onto so strongly today or the Akritas plan or even the artificial idea of Enosis???

Barriers like veto rights of a minority... Turkish Cypriots don't need veto rights!! They have 24 seats in Parliament but they don't need the veto right

This is a safety valve, what will we fo without it, be at the mercy of GCs? no thanks....

We also don't need Greece or Turkey now that we have Europe.

EU is untrustworthy and do not keep their word plus they are riddled with double standards, we would never trust them in a moment of crisis to act promptly they cannot even stick to agreements. Turkey is the only country that has supported TCs and they are the only country we would want as a guarantor, why is it so difficult to understand. You can have the EU if you trust them so much we will stick with Turkey.

[andytandreou]

Viewpoint I kindly ask you to NOT mention the Annan plan again. I remember my mum and dad waking up that day and with a heavy heart they rushed to vote "NO"... Not because we wanted more from Turkey but because they offered us nothing. Do you understand this?

Viewpoint do u really believe a whole nation wanted to cheat the UN? Get real man.

I love Cyprus so much. I would DIE 1000 times before I agreed to give Turkey intervention rights again, like the Anan plan envisioned.... OVER MY DEAD, BATTERED, BLOODY, DECAYING BODY will Turkey get intervention rights again in Cyprus...!!!

I don't mind keeping some settlers, loosing North Cyprus for Good, keeping Nicosia divided, paying for the entire mess created by other countries through my taxes or loosing my national anthem but I would NEVER in a trillion years give Turkey allowances in Cyprus.... NEVER!!! I bet you any amount of money on this Earth that the Turkish Cypriots would have rejected the plan had Greece been given intervention rights in Northern Cyprus.

The Anan plan was a sick twisted joke played on the Greek Cypriots just to empower people like you to come to people like me and say "I tried my best, now you have to suffer and you also have to let me in Europe"!!!! Again... get real...

Your view of world politics is so sadly off base it's unreal! Keep lingering on the Anan plan my friend and the only thing you will accomplish is becoming public enemy #1 to 76% of the G/Cypriot population who wants nothing more than to reunite Cyprus under ONE NATION!

And YES! there will be more Greek Cypriots in a Unified Cyprus... If you feel threatened by that fact then you can stay as a minority in Northern Cyprus where your wife-beating, Kurd-hating, Armenian-killing buddies will keep you company.

[garbitsch]

If you feel threatened by that fact then you can stay as a minority in Northern Cyprus where your wife-beating, Kurd-hating, Armenian-killing buddies will keep you company.

You are such a jingoist. I feel sick.

[garbitsch]

Please garbitsch... Just think of what might have happened if Turkish Cypriots didn't have Veto rights and foreign powers didn't have intervention rights? Can you imagine that? There would never have been a distinction between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. We would have become like the Switzerland, Canada or New-Orleans which have huge minorities but don't consider themselves French or American or Swiss or Spanish! No Labels what-so-ever, just people.

Please andy, tell me what would have happened if Turkey had not intervened in 1974?? What would be the fate of T.Cs under Samspon's administration? There would have been no distinction, since there will be no Turkish Cypriots on the island. The island would have been unified with Greece, and every thing would have been in such a way you guys had always been dreamed of. We are not stupid people. Do not underestimate us!

[Main_Source]

What would have happend if Turkey would have not pushed the TMT to keep up intercommunal violance?

What would have happened in the TMT did not blow up Turkish buildings or paint greek slogans in mosques and blame it on the Greeks???

What would have happend if TC collaborators of the British did not arrest EOKA freedom fighters??

What would have happend if the Ottoman opressors did not treat GC so badly that it made them realise such a Greek nationalism, in order to survive as a people???

[garbitsch]

I wouldn't have expected you to give answers to my questions. It is easier to answer with questions right?

[garbitsch]

You say you admit that Greek Cypriots were also guilty but you are now trying to justify their actions. And now I am a hardliner. I object!

[Main_Source]

Im not asking you to answer my questions...im just showing you that Turks have a major hand in the violance that occured as well as Greeks...which you dont really seem to admit to.

You say you admit that Greek Cypriots were also guilty but you are now trying to justify their actions. And now I am a hardliner. I object!

If your going to ask me to condemn the EOKA struggle from the British and the union with Greece during the 50's...then thats a definate no-no from me.

If you want me to condemn the actions of EOKA B and the union to the Greek military regime AFTER Cyprus received independance, then I agree.

[garbitsch]

I remember saying if Turkey had just injected an interim administration after 20th June, then there won't be any Cyprus problem. It's not my problem if you do not know me very well... I am just pissed off when you said I am a hardliner...