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[GreekIslandGirl]

As reluctant as I am to post on this reziliki of a thread topic; can't resist adding my admiration of barouti's arguments alongside those up above.

[kimon07]

Welcome to the forum baruti.

Nice you are back

[supporttheunderdog]

I don't need any foreign "sources" to tell me the history of my own nation, but since you want, here is one for you from the USA Library of Congress.

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

Our Greek dialect is very similar to other Greek dialects. All big nations with long histories have different dialects. Nothing strange with that.

All nations are "bastardized" to one degree or another. The Turks are far more bastardized, so much so that very little of the original Mongol like characteristics of the original Turks can be seen in the current population today. In the case of Cyprus, the obvious "bastards" are the TCs, since they are the ones who mixed with the invading Turks. We didn't.

You are the one who claims you have been here longer so you have been bastardized more, we were Turks to start with so in reality we returned to our roots.[/quote]

The roots of the Turks are somewhere near Mongolia.

I look like the European Caucasian Mediterranean person that I am, just like most Greeks. Do you look anything like the original Turks? If you do, you should have similar characteristics to the people in this photo:

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I have blue eyes and fair skin, what difference does that make and why do you refer to the Mongolian people in a degrading manner which you always do.[/quote]

Xenophobia??

[Piratis]

Xenophobia??

You are the Xenophobe since you are constantly talking in a degrading manner about the Greeks without any provocation since the Greeks have never done any harm to you which leaves Xenophobia as the only possible reason for your attitude.

Tell me where I wrote something degrading about Mongolians? I simply pointed out the fact that this is how the original Turks looked like and that if VP doesn't look anything like them then genetically he can't possibly have much in common with the original Turks.

[supporttheunderdog]

Time to get past it Piratis and move because this island has never been Greek.

That is exactly what an enemy of Cyprus such as you would say, so I am not surpriced. You have been trying to dehelenize Cyprus for centuries by means of genocides and ethnic cleansing so I hope you have realized than no foreign invader can manage to force us to change our ethnic identity.

When in the history of Cyprus was it a Greek island? give dates and details from reliable sources. You are a bastardized people over and over because so many times has Cyprus been won and lost.....it just so happens that you speak a form of Greek which is different form the of Greece.

Cyprus has been a Greek island for more than 3000 years.

I don't need any foreign "sources" to tell me the history of my own nation, but since you want, here is one for you from the USA Library of Congress.

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

Our Greek dialect is very similar to other Greek dialects. All big nations with long histories have different dialects. Nothing strange with that.

All nations are "bastardized" to one degree or another. The Turks are far more bastardized, so much so that very little of the original Mongol like characteristics of the original Turks can be seen in the current population today. In the case of Cyprus, the obvious "bastards" are the TCs, since they are the ones who mixed with the invading Turks. We didn't.

You are the one who claims you have been here longer so you have been bastardized more, we were Turks to start with so in reality we returned to our roots.

VP I have to take issue with you - Firstly its a given that all humans are descended from Mytochondrial Eve and a notional Adam who never met but whose ultimate common progeny on mixing outbred all their other Hominid cousins so only their descendants now remain and as we are descended from the same two ancestors no one Human can claim any racial / genetic superiority over any other - - however the chances are that if you are a proper Turkish Cypriot and not one of the post 1974 illegal squatters the majority of your ancestors came over with the majority of the ancestors of the Greek Speaking Cypriots about 7000 years ago - indeed your ancestors were probabaly their ancestors and vice versa - as evidence suggests that Cyprus has had a pretty stable gene pool in that time though with some input from the various invaders who have come to Cyprus since then, so in terms of the very racist term bastardised in the context in which it expressed here - namely stirring of the gene pool by incomers to a geographical region eg incomers f*cking the then native Cypriots or Anatolians or Greeks as they were then to produce the modern genetic mix, Most Cyprus were probabaly a lot less bastardised than the populations of what are now Greece and Turkey.

Now were you a Cypriot to start with or a Turk?

No place here for people who do not support an independant Cyprus ruled by Cypriots rather than Greeks or Turks. .

[Me Ed]

Barouti,

I don't know if you are keeping up with current affairs, but in a months time the Republic of Cyprus (RoC) takes over the presidency of the EU.

To me, the reputation of the RoC in the international stage is of utmost importance which is why our aspirations as a nation must be distanced from the lazy tax dodging, corrupt and early retiring, soup kitchen queueing people of the Hellenic Republic.

That is why I must point out to the ignorant that the RoC is (fortunately) independant from Greece rezilik.

You never know, during the EU presidency of the RoC we might just use our presidency to save the Hellenic Republics sorry ass from oblivion.

[repulsewarrior]

You never know, during the EU presidency of the RoC we might just use our presidency to save the Hellenic Republics sorry ass from oblivion.

...what is family for. and in this case i am speaking of the Family of Man. easy to kick someone when they are down, easy to abandon those weaker when they are ailing; greatness is the man tolerant who is able to move on unfaltering Principal towards the betterment of all. Cyprus has no different a challenge, i hope with this term the President can show himself neither a sell-out who abandons Greece, nor a "Greek". This would give Greeks an inspiration for a change, and most certainly for Cyprus the credibility as a State, trustworthy.

[boomerang]

how can cyprus and us cypriots isolate ourselves from this reziliki...

You can't. You can choose your friends but you can't choose your family.

...guild by association then?...cypriots are lazy, corrupt, incompetent, conniving, thieving, tax dodgers, beggars...

yes your point of view is well understood...

reziliki now transfered to cyprus...well done greece...thanks a lot...

and a special thank you to barouti for setting me straight...

[repulsewarrior]

...boomer, if i may say, don't get your knickers in a knot. no matter what, to the Ignorant you will be found to be guilty, by association or whatnot.

There are "Greeks" and Greeks, those that are brash have had the Agenda, now we hope that those who've remained silent can create better, there is no reason to brand them (us) all, (as you say). we can represent ourselves as Cypriots accordingly, helpful, as Humans first, and as Greeks we can help our identity as such by remaining true to the Universal Principals which have held us together as Allies, respectfully, along with the rest of the world.

[boomerang]

...boomer, if i may say, don't get your knickers in a knot. no matter what, to the Ignorant you will be found to be guilty, by association or whatnot.

There are "Greeks" and Greeks, those that are brash have had the Agenda, now we hope that those who've remained silent can create better, there is no reason to brand them (us) all, (as you say). we can represent ourselves as Cypriots accordingly, helpful, as Humans first, and as Greeks we can help our identity as such by remaining true to the Universal Principals which have held us together as Allies, respectfully, along with the rest of the world.

rw my friend have you ever heard of the expression "once bitten, twice shy"...well forget about that, now "it's forever bitten and about time to be bloody shy"...

and the reziliki continues...