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[boomerang]

I'd have thought natives of Cyprus were CYPRIOTS by definition.

Of course they are Cypriots by definition, but they are also Greek. The same can be said for every other Greek territory (Athenians, Cretans etc), and for every other nation (Londoners, Liverpudlians etc in the case of the English). The same way that Londoners are English, Cypriots are Greek.

Of course there are non-Greek minorities in Cyprus, just like there are non-English minorities in London or Liverpool. But the existence of non-English minorities in London doesn't mean that London is not English.

If Cyprus is not Greek, then London could not possibly be English:

- The Greeks came to Cyprus more than 3000 years ago, while the Angles went to Britain 1500 years ago.

- Cyprus was inhabited by a few prehistoric people before the Greeks came, but Britain was inhabited by prehistoric people from much earlier, and it was even inhabited by nations such as the Celts and Romans before any Angles went there.

- The English are far more "bastardized" than Greeks are, since the Germanic Anglo-Saxons mixed with Celts, Romans, other British people, Vickings, French, African slaves, lots of people from their former colonies etc etc. Just look at the national team of England for the Euro and the variety of genes is more than obvious.

There is no argument that can be used to claim that Cyprus is supposedly not Greek, that can not also be used to claim that London or Liverpool are not English. On the contrary it would be far easier to claim that London is not English (the city was founded by the Romans, or even earlier, long before any Angles went there).

The only difference is that Cyprus is not part of the Greek state, but as we all know this was something that was forced on the Cypriot people by the British and the Turks, while the choice of the vast majority of the Cypriots themselves was union with the rest of Greece as it had previously happened with Crete, Rhodes and most other Greek islands.

but the greeks 3000 years ago had honour and cojones, something clearly missing in modern greeks....do you want to be known at the world stage that you have no honour and no cojones?...be my guest, but do not drag me down to the gutter at the same time...i have honour and i have cojones...

and for how long are you gonna be milking the ancients...they are spinning in their graves...show them the respect they deserve..clearly there are no greeks today...we have beggars living in greece...

[supporttheunderdog]

I'd have thought natives of Cyprus were CYPRIOTS by definition.

Of course they are Cypriots by definition, but they are also Greek. The same can be said for every other Greek territory (Athenians, Cretans etc), and for every other nation (Londoners, Liverpudlians etc in the case of the English). The same way that Londoners are English, Cypriots are Greek.

Of course there are non-Greek minorities in Cyprus, just like there are non-English minorities in London or Liverpool. But the existence of non-English minorities in London doesn't mean that London is not English.

If Cyprus is not Greek, then London could not possibly be English:

- The Greeks came to Cyprus more than 3000 years ago, while the Angles went to Britain 1500 years ago.

- Cyprus was inhabited by a few prehistoric people before the Greeks came, but Britain was inhabited by prehistoric people from much earlier, and it was even inhabited by nations such as the Celts and Romans before any Angles went there.

- The English are far more "bastardized" than Greeks are, since the Germanic Anglo-Saxons mixed with Celts, Romans, other British people, Vickings, French, African slaves, lots of people from their former colonies etc etc. Just look at the national team of England for the Euro and the variety of genes is more than obvious.

There is no argument that can be used to claim that Cyprus is supposedly not Greek, that can not also be used to claim that London or Liverpool are not English. On the contrary it would be far easier to claim that London is not English (the city was founded by the Romans, or even earlier, long before any Angles went there).

The only difference is that Cyprus is not part of the Greek state, but as we all know this was something that was forced on the Cypriot people by the British and the Turks, while the choice of the vast majority of the Cypriots themselves was union with the rest of Greece as it had previously happened with Crete, Rhodes and most other Greek islands.

the usual b*ll*cks about the long discredited theories about the Anglos - an incorrect term to refer to to the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, a few of whom came to Britain in the 4th/6th Centuries -and which coming from you contains racist overtones - the Genetics sugests that overall the mojority of the British population can trace the majority of their ancestry back to these early neolithic settlers and no one group of later incomers has added in total more than 5% to the Genetic pool: the number of Anglo-Saxons was probably at most 250,000, no more than 10% of the population, and as recent Historical reaearch has shown by eg Francis Pryor there was in fact a continuity of cultural practices from pre-Roman times which does not support an anglo saxon replacement theory.

As for Cyprus - it was probbaly not a few Neolithic people but the genetice her supports a substantially stable gene pool going back to neolitic times, particularly MtDna long before the alleged invasions of the Mycenaeans in say 1100BC, a societyb that was possibly providing brides to the Pharoes of Egypt, but onec again you show Anti Cypriot btendancies by dismissing the early history of Cyprus and subbordinating it to an evenmt which is of increasing dubious hirosticity, ie a Greek Invasion in say 1100 BC or so. .

[Piratis]

I'd have thought natives of Cyprus were CYPRIOTS by definition.

Of course they are Cypriots by definition, but they are also Greek. The same can be said for every other Greek territory (Athenians, Cretans etc), and for every other nation (Londoners, Liverpudlians etc in the case of the English). The same way that Londoners are English, Cypriots are Greek.

Of course there are non-Greek minorities in Cyprus, just like there are non-English minorities in London or Liverpool. But the existence of non-English minorities in London doesn't mean that London is not English.

If Cyprus is not Greek, then London could not possibly be English:

- The Greeks came to Cyprus more than 3000 years ago, while the Angles went to Britain 1500 years ago.

- Cyprus was inhabited by a few prehistoric people before the Greeks came, but Britain was inhabited by prehistoric people from much earlier, and it was even inhabited by nations such as the Celts and Romans before any Angles went there.

- The English are far more "bastardized" than Greeks are, since the Germanic Anglo-Saxons mixed with Celts, Romans, other British people, Vickings, French, African slaves, lots of people from their former colonies etc etc. Just look at the national team of England for the Euro and the variety of genes is more than obvious.

There is no argument that can be used to claim that Cyprus is supposedly not Greek, that can not also be used to claim that London or Liverpool are not English. On the contrary it would be far easier to claim that London is not English (the city was founded by the Romans, or even earlier, long before any Angles went there).

The only difference is that Cyprus is not part of the Greek state, but as we all know this was something that was forced on the Cypriot people by the British and the Turks, while the choice of the vast majority of the Cypriots themselves was union with the rest of Greece as it had previously happened with Crete, Rhodes and most other Greek islands.

the usual b*ll*cks about the long discredited theories about the Anglos - an incorrect term to refer to to the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, a few of whom came to Britain in the 4th/6th Centuries -and which coming from you contains racist overtones - the Genetics sugests that overall the mojority of the British population can trace the majority of their ancestry back to these early neolithic settlers and no one group of later incomers has added in total more than 5% to the Genetic pool: the number of Anglo-Saxons was probably at most 250,000, no more than 10% of the population, and as recent Historical reaearch has shown by eg Francis Pryor there was in fact a continuity of cultural practices from pre-Roman times which does not support an anglo saxon replacement theory.

As for Cyprus - it was probbaly not a few Neolithic people but the genetice her supports a substantially stable gene pool going back to neolitic times, particularly MtDna long before the alleged invasions of the Mycenaeans in say 1100BC, a societyb that was possibly providing brides to the Pharoes of Egypt, but onec again you show Anti Cypriot btendancies by dismissing the early history of Cyprus and subbordinating it to an evenmt which is of increasing dubious hirosticity, ie a Greek Invasion in say 1100 BC or so. .

So the Londoners by calling themselves English and claiming that London is English show their anti-British tendencies and dismiss the early history of Britain, subordinating it to an event which is of an increasing dubious hirosticity, ie an Anglo-Saxon Invasion in say 500AD or so?

As I already said, if native Londoners can call themselves English, then native Cypriots can surely call themselves Greek. In Cyprus Greeks have a 3000+ years old history, while the English in Britain just 1500 years. If 3000 years are not enough to make Cyprus Greek, then 1500 years are obviously not enough to make any part of Britain English.

[Bananiot]

Personally I get by with the Socratean:

"I am not Athenian, nor Greek, I am a citizen of the world"

[Piratis]

I'd have thought natives of Cyprus were CYPRIOTS by definition.

Of course they are Cypriots by definition, but they are also Greek. The same can be said for every other Greek territory (Athenians, Cretans etc), and for every other nation (Londoners, Liverpudlians etc in the case of the English). The same way that Londoners are English, Cypriots are Greek.

Of course there are non-Greek minorities in Cyprus, just like there are non-English minorities in London or Liverpool. But the existence of non-English minorities in London doesn't mean that London is not English.

If Cyprus is not Greek, then London could not possibly be English:

- The Greeks came to Cyprus more than 3000 years ago, while the Angles went to Britain 1500 years ago.

- Cyprus was inhabited by a few prehistoric people before the Greeks came, but Britain was inhabited by prehistoric people from much earlier, and it was even inhabited by nations such as the Celts and Romans before any Angles went there.

- The English are far more "bastardized" than Greeks are, since the Germanic Anglo-Saxons mixed with Celts, Romans, other British people, Vickings, French, African slaves, lots of people from their former colonies etc etc. Just look at the national team of England for the Euro and the variety of genes is more than obvious.

There is no argument that can be used to claim that Cyprus is supposedly not Greek, that can not also be used to claim that London or Liverpool are not English. On the contrary it would be far easier to claim that London is not English (the city was founded by the Romans, or even earlier, long before any Angles went there).

The only difference is that Cyprus is not part of the Greek state, but as we all know this was something that was forced on the Cypriot people by the British and the Turks, while the choice of the vast majority of the Cypriots themselves was union with the rest of Greece as it had previously happened with Crete, Rhodes and most other Greek islands.

but the greeks 3000 years ago had honour and cojones, something clearly missing in modern greeks....do you want to be known at the world stage that you have no honour and no cojones?...be my guest, but do not drag me down to the gutter at the same time...i have honour and i have cojones...

and for how long are you gonna be milking the ancients...they are spinning in their graves...show them the respect they deserve..clearly there are no greeks today...we have beggars living in greece...

You have no "honour and cojones", I do. That is why I do not betray my nation and I have the balls to support it even in difficult times such as these.

I do not drag you anywhere. You have already abandoned Cyprus and you are free to change your own identity in any way you want. Just like during Ottoman rule a minority of Greeks who had no balls became Muslims/Turks because that was the easy thing to do. If we were all like you then the Greek nation would cease to exist. But this didn't happen and will not happen because most of us will not betray our nation no matter what the circumstances are.

[boomerang]

tjie poson by o kolos toutes tis imeres piratis?...thats the only commodity left in greece...

your nation greece has been selling ass for a long time now...actually ever since the fall of the hellenic empire...surpised they still have an ass to sit on..greece became a bitch to the world...gang raped by the turks in the aegean, i call that no cojones...why don't you show your cojones to the turks along with your nation and liberate greek territory as you say?...what you say?...no cojones eh?...yes the balance of power needs to change so piratis can grow cojones...

[Piratis]

The Turks outnumber Greeks 7 to 1 which is the only reason that our task is dificult. Nothing to do with any "cojones". If "cojones" was the only thing that mattered, and you claim that you have "cojones" and that you are Cypriot, then why don't you and your "cojones" come to liberate Cyprus and you instead run to Australia?

[boomerang]

this is for you piratis...and world wide view of greece...

How did it get to this? It is ethos gone bad. What does it say about a culture when a majority of the population approves of negating a bailout contract inked barely three months ago….A culture that wants to continually nurse off the European breast but refuses to amend profligate habits….A gimmee something for nothing culture….A culture where tax avoidance is the national pastime…..A culture that won’t reform work laws to allow mobility of labor. The oxymoron here is that if workers could be fired then the fear is unemployment would go up. Well, guess what, if a business can’t fire then it won’t hire because hiring becomes akin to having a dependent child for life that never leaves his bedroom. Greece is a country with a bloated public sector, an inefficient labor force, a people stilted by a bureaucratic system that over generations has snuffed out creativity and entrepreneurial spirit. So to my way of thinking, for the Greek people, it is irrelevant whether they leave or stay or come or go. Greece has degenerated into a rotted, decayed, and sclerotic wasteland. True redesign of attitude, value systems and hence society is their only hope…a new ethos. Can it happen……Maybe but statistically unlikely.

more here ---- http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardfinger/2012/05/29/greek-tragedy-how-far-they-have-fallen/

greeks have become cheaters, liars, and now beggars...yes piratis do not abandon all these fine traits but what is amazing is you support them...

lets get something straight here cyprus was never greek...it was a brutal assimillation...they all are...

[boomerang]

The Turks outnumber Greeks 7 to 1 which is the only reason that our task is dificult. Nothing to do with any "cojones". If "cojones" was the only thing that mattered, and you claim that you have "cojones" and that you are Cypriot, then why don't you and your "cojones" come to liberate Cyprus and you instead run to Australia?

nothing but excuses...the jews bonked the turks...you see they have cojones...not mentioning the ratio is a lot higher...

nothing to do with me piratis...we are talking about the greeks, try and stay focus here...

[Me Ed]

Native Cypriots are Greek. If you don't want to be Greek then you can't be native Cypriot either. So immigrate from Cyprus to a non-Greek country and claim that you are not Greek ... oh wait ... you already did So whats your problem now foreigner?

No problem at all, only pointing out that Cyprus is not part of Greece to the ignorant.

So good of you to let us know.

On top of this the Autocephalous Orthodox Church of Cyprus is not part of the Church of Greece either.

True. But what puzzles me is why has the the Church of Cyprus always being defending, supporting and promoting the greekness of Greek Cypriots so strongly

Bloody traitors i suppose?

THE 1931 REBELLION: A WEEK THAT SHOOK CYPRUS

By DAVID CARTER

From the outset of British rule, the Greek Cypriot population, led by the
priests and bishops of the Orthodox Church prayed to become part of a greater Greece......

http://britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/Da ... llion.html

Suggestion. Quit using the Church of Cyprus as an example to support your theory of the non Greekness of the Greek Cypriots. You lose. Try something else.

Suggestion: read and understand someones post before commenting.

The important point here is that not only is Cyprus not part of Greece, but neither is its most important institution, the Church, part of any greater institution within Greece.

Where some Cypriot institutions, i.e. the banks have dealt with equivalent institutions in Greece, may actually bring about the collapse of the Cypriot economy.

Moral of the story: from the coup in 1974 and the current banking crisis, dealings with Greece have been a disaster for Cyprus.