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So you would have no problem getting back into bed with your rapist?

No

But using the same analogy

I wouldn't get into bed with a different ,much bigger, rapist either.

No one involved in the tragic modern history of Cyprus escapes guilt.....EVERYONE has ,to some degree, hands covered in the blood of innocents.

If the radicals on both sides could countenance this terrible truth then maybe understanding and reconciliation stands a chance ...... While everyone is still picking over the bones and pointing fingers there's no chance.

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So you would have no problem getting back into bed with your rapist?

No

But using the same analogy

I wouldn't get into bed with a different ,much bigger, rapist either.

No one involved in the tragic modern history of Cyprus escapes guilt.....EVERYONE has ,to some degree, hands covered in the blood of innocents.

If the radicals on both sides could countenance this terrible truth then maybe understanding and reconciliation stands a chance ...... While everyone is still picking over the bones and pointing fingers there's no chance.

So you wouldnt get into bed with a rapist full stop, herein lies the dilemma of not solving the Cyprus problem.

[Piratis]

Sometimes you have to move past your history and deal with the real world situation that is Cyprus today.

Until Cypriots start "owning there identity" as a unique culture that has a collective future in a , frankly, marvellous country then the reprehensible Turkish army and settlers will never leave.

The Turks are in Cyprus to serve their own geostrategic interests and the TCs are glad to help them in order to have gains on our expense in terms of land and power. The Turkish army and settlers will leave only when Turkey is defeated in a war. No other way. The odds are of course against us, but the odds are much better when we are part of a 10 million nation than isolated and alone.

This is why the British and the Turks didn't allow Cyprus to be part of the Greek state. Because in that way we would be in a much better position to defend our island, while when isolated from the rest of our nation it would be much easier for the Turks to take our lands and serve their interests on our expense.

Rhodes, which united with the rest of Greece in 1948, also has a muslim minority and it is situated just a few kilometers from the Turkish mainland. As part of the Greek state Rhodes was protected, while the pseudo independence that was forced on Cyprus only helped the enemies of our nation to steal our lands and violate our rights.

We will of course preserve our unique culture, just like any subgroup of any other nation should protect their unique culture and identity. And we of course have no problem to have a collective future with the TCs, just like we have a collective future with the Latins, Armenians, Maronites and all other minorities in Cyprus. But we will not accept that a small minority can determine the destiny of this island disregarding the rights of the majority. Better to have 2/3rds of our island free and maintain our rights for the remaining 3rd, rather than accept the terms of the invaders which would essentially enslave the whole island.

[kimon07]

Native Cypriots are Greek. If you don't want to be Greek then you can't be native Cypriot either. So immigrate from Cyprus to a non-Greek country and claim that you are not Greek ... oh wait ... you already did So whats your problem now foreigner?

No problem at all, only pointing out that Cyprus is not part of Greece to the ignorant.

So good of you to let us know.

On top of this the Autocephalous Orthodox Church of Cyprus is not part of the Church of Greece either.

True. But what puzzles me is why has the the Church of Cyprus always being defending, supporting and promoting the greekness of Greek Cypriots so strongly

Bloody traitors i suppose?

THE 1931 REBELLION: A WEEK THAT SHOOK CYPRUS

By DAVID CARTER

From the outset of British rule, the Greek Cypriot population, led by the
priests and bishops of the Orthodox Church prayed to become part of a greater Greece......

http://britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/Da ... llion.html

Suggestion. Quit using the Church of Cyprus as an example to support your theory of the non Greekness of the Greek Cypriots. You lose. Try something else.

[Piratis]

Time to get past it Piratis and move because this island has never been Greek.

That is exactly what an enemy of Cyprus such as you would say, so I am not surpriced. You have been trying to dehelenize Cyprus for centuries by means of genocides and ethnic cleansing so I hope you have realized than no foreign invader can manage to force us to change our ethnic identity.

When in the history of Cyprus was it a Greek island? give dates and details from reliable sources. You are a bastardized people over and over because so many times has Cyprus been won and lost.....it just so happens that you speak a form of Greek which is different form the of Greece.

Cyprus has been a Greek island for more than 3000 years.

I don't need any foreign "sources" to tell me the history of my own nation, but since you want, here is one for you from the USA Library of Congress.

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

Our Greek dialect is very similar to other Greek dialects. All big nations with long histories have different dialects. Nothing strange with that.

All nations are "bastardized" to one degree or another. The Turks are far more bastardized, so much so that very little of the original Mongol like characteristics of the original Turks can be seen in the current population today. In the case of Cyprus, the obvious "bastards" are the TCs, since they are the ones who mixed with the invading Turks. We didn't.

You are the one who claims you have been here longer so you have been bastardized more, we were Turks to start with so in reality we returned to our roots.

The roots of the Turks are somewhere near Mongolia.

I look like the European Caucasian Mediterranean person that I am, just like most Greeks. Do you look anything like the original Turks? If you do, you should have similar characteristics to the people in this photo:

[Piratis]

So you would have no problem getting back into bed with your rapist?

No

But using the same analogy

I wouldn't get into bed with a different ,much bigger, rapist either.

No one involved in the tragic modern history of Cyprus escapes guilt.....EVERYONE has ,to some degree, hands covered in the blood of innocents.

If the radicals on both sides could countenance this terrible truth then maybe understanding and reconciliation stands a chance ...... While everyone is still picking over the bones and pointing fingers there's no chance.

So you wouldnt get into bed with a rapist full stop, herein lies the dilemma of not solving the Cyprus problem.

Who is the "rapist" and what is the "bed"?

[Viewpoint]

So you would have no problem getting back into bed with your rapist?

No

But using the same analogy

I wouldn't get into bed with a different ,much bigger, rapist either.

No one involved in the tragic modern history of Cyprus escapes guilt.....EVERYONE has ,to some degree, hands covered in the blood of innocents.

If the radicals on both sides could countenance this terrible truth then maybe understanding and reconciliation stands a chance ...... While everyone is still picking over the bones and pointing fingers there's no chance.

So you wouldnt get into bed with a rapist full stop, herein lies the dilemma of not solving the Cyprus problem.

Who is the "rapist" and what is the "bed"?

rapist = Greek Cypriots
bed = united Cyprus where GC can do as they wish.

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I don't need any foreign "sources" to tell me the history of my own nation, but since you want, here is one for you from the USA Library of Congress.

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

Our Greek dialect is very similar to other Greek dialects. All big nations with long histories have different dialects. Nothing strange with that.

All nations are "bastardized" to one degree or another. The Turks are far more bastardized, so much so that very little of the original Mongol like characteristics of the original Turks can be seen in the current population today. In the case of Cyprus, the obvious "bastards" are the TCs, since they are the ones who mixed with the invading Turks. We didn't.[/quote]

You are the one who claims you have been here longer so you have been bastardized more, we were Turks to start with so in reality we returned to our roots.[/quote]

The roots of the Turks are somewhere near Mongolia.

I look like the European Caucasian Mediterranean person that I am, just like most Greeks. Do you look anything like the original Turks? If you do, you should have similar characteristics to the people in this photo:

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I have blue eyes and fair skin, what difference does that make and why do you refer to the Mongolian people in a degrading manner which you always do.

[kimon07]

Time to get past it Piratis and move because this island has never been Greek.

Hellenistic period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenisti ... ic_kingdom

Byzantine Empire
By Burak Sansal
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/bizans.htm

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Time to get past it Piratis and move because this island has never been Greek.

Hellenistic period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenisti ... ic_kingdom

Byzantine Empire
By Burak Sansal
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/bizans.htm

As I stated Cyprus has never been Greek.