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[bsharpish]

I'd have thought natives of Cyprus were CYPRIOTS by definition.

And the natives of the Falklands, Flaklanders by definition?

Actually -Yes and probably proud of it

Similarly people on the Isle of Man are Manx .
Channel islanders do not live in he UK.

And all 3 groups as crown dependencies or British overseas territories have , generally, there own distinct, cultures, legal system, government structures and taxation .

Perhaps before you pick such a piss poor analogy you'd might like to learn something -

I'll start with the easy stuff -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Depe ... ith_the_UK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Depe ... ith_the_UK

But I'll paraphrase it for you -

1.All the overseas territories have their own system of government, and localised laws.
2. In most cases British acts of parliament do it apply in these areas
3. The British Government is solely responsible for defence and international representation (although, in accordance with 2007 framework agreements, the UK has undertaken not to act internationally on behalf of the Crown dependencies without prior consultation). Each Crown dependency has responsibility for its own customs and immigration services.
4. Each territory has its own legal system independent of the United Kingdom.

The list is endless

[cyprusgrump]

In the UK, I too have exaclty the same problem with people thinking Cyprus is part of Greece and have to spend ages explaining to them that Cyprus is an idependent country.

I think it happened when the RoC started using the Euro and with all the flags of Greece dotted all over the place some visitors put two and two together and got five thinking it's the same country.

It might change if Greece has to revert to the drachma.

Cyprus will surely follow when she does....

Cyprus pound?

Why not...?

[Piratis]

I'd have thought natives of Cyprus were CYPRIOTS by definition.

Of course they are Cypriots by definition, but they are also Greek. The same can be said for every other Greek territory (Athenians, Cretans etc), and for every other nation (Londoners, Liverpudlians etc in the case of the English). The same way that Londoners are English, Cypriots are Greek.

Of course there are non-Greek minorities in Cyprus, just like there are non-English minorities in London or Liverpool. But the existence of non-English minorities in London doesn't mean that London is not English.

If Cyprus is not Greek, then London could not possibly be English:

- The Greeks came to Cyprus more than 3000 years ago, while the Angles went to Britain 1500 years ago.

- Cyprus was inhabited by a few prehistoric people before the Greeks came, but Britain was inhabited by prehistoric people from much earlier, and it was even inhabited by nations such as the Celts and Romans before any Angles went there.

- The English are far more "bastardized" than Greeks are, since the Germanic Anglo-Saxons mixed with Celts, Romans, other British people, Vickings, French, African slaves, lots of people from their former colonies etc etc. Just look at the national team of England for the Euro and the variety of genes is more than obvious.

There is no argument that can be used to claim that Cyprus is supposedly not Greek, that can not also be used to claim that London or Liverpool are not English. On the contrary it would be far easier to claim that London is not English (the city was founded by the Romans, or even earlier, long before any Angles went there).

The only difference is that Cyprus is not part of the Greek state, but as we all know this was something that was forced on the Cypriot people by the British and the Turks, while the choice of the vast majority of the Cypriots themselves was union with the rest of Greece as it had previously happened with Crete, Rhodes and most other Greek islands.

[Viewpoint]

Time to get past it Piratis and move because this island has never been Greek.

[Piratis]

Time to get past it Piratis and move because this island has never been Greek.

That is exactly what an enemy of Cyprus such as you would say, so I am not surpriced. You have been trying to dehelenize Cyprus for centuries by means of genocides and ethnic cleansing so I hope you have realized than no foreign invader can manage to force us to change our ethnic identity.

[Viewpoint]

Time to get past it Piratis and move because this island has never been Greek.

That is exactly what an enemy of Cyprus such as you would say, so I am not surpriced. You have been trying to dehelenize Cyprus for centuries by means of genocides and ethnic cleansing so I hope you have realized than no foreign invader can manage to force us to change our ethnic identity.

When in the history of Cyprus was it a Greek island? give dates and details from reliable sources. You are a bastardized people over and over because so many times has Cyprus been won and lost.....it just so happens that you speak a form of Greek which is different form the of Greece.

[bsharpish]

Here we go again .............

Sometimes you have to move past your history and deal with the real world situation that is Cyprus today.

Until Cypriots start "owning there identity" as a unique culture that has a collective future in a , frankly, marvellous country then the reprehensible Turkish army and settlers will never leave.
If you think that anyone other than Greece and Turkey really cares about the "Cyprus issue" you are deluding yourself, similarly in a europe under stress.... Hoping the ineffectual EU presidency will do anything usefull for the current scenario is just grasping at straws ...... The next 6 months will be just firefighting the financial drama's to come.

I guess I'm just disappointed by the constant bickering here and sincerely wish that an unemcumbered Cyprus could grasp the opportunity to become a wealthy, independent, harmonious, tolerant and complete nation.

If the bitterness of the past and dogma bound politics wins ..... Cypriots and I mean ALL Cypriots ultimately will lose.

I'm too old and have eaten way too many pies, however, if any sovereign power invaded my adopted home ..... I'd man the barricades ... It wouldn't matter if the flag they flew was red/blue or sky blue pink ..... The only flag that should fly here is white and gold.

[Viewpoint]

So you would have no problem getting back into bed with your rapist?

[Piratis]

Time to get past it Piratis and move because this island has never been Greek.

That is exactly what an enemy of Cyprus such as you would say, so I am not surpriced. You have been trying to dehelenize Cyprus for centuries by means of genocides and ethnic cleansing so I hope you have realized than no foreign invader can manage to force us to change our ethnic identity.

When in the history of Cyprus was it a Greek island? give dates and details from reliable sources. You are a bastardized people over and over because so many times has Cyprus been won and lost.....it just so happens that you speak a form of Greek which is different form the of Greece.

Cyprus has been a Greek island for more than 3000 years.

I don't need any foreign "sources" to tell me the history of my own nation, but since you want, here is one for you from the USA Library of Congress.

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

Our Greek dialect is very similar to other Greek dialects. All big nations with long histories have different dialects. Nothing strange with that.

All nations are "bastardized" to one degree or another. The Turks are far more bastardized, so much so that very little of the original Mongol like characteristics of the original Turks can be seen in the current population today. In the case of Cyprus, the obvious "bastards" are the TCs, since they are the ones who mixed with the invading Turks. We didn't.

[Viewpoint]

Time to get past it Piratis and move because this island has never been Greek.

That is exactly what an enemy of Cyprus such as you would say, so I am not surpriced. You have been trying to dehelenize Cyprus for centuries by means of genocides and ethnic cleansing so I hope you have realized than no foreign invader can manage to force us to change our ethnic identity.

When in the history of Cyprus was it a Greek island? give dates and details from reliable sources. You are a bastardized people over and over because so many times has Cyprus been won and lost.....it just so happens that you speak a form of Greek which is different form the of Greece.

Cyprus has been a Greek island for more than 3000 years.

I don't need any foreign "sources" to tell me the history of my own nation, but since you want, here is one for you from the USA Library of Congress.

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

Our Greek dialect is very similar to other Greek dialects. All big nations with long histories have different dialects. Nothing strange with that.

All nations are "bastardized" to one degree or another. The Turks are far more bastardized, so much so that very little of the original Mongol like characteristics of the original Turks can be seen in the current population today. In the case of Cyprus, the obvious "bastards" are the TCs, since they are the ones who mixed with the invading Turks. We didn't.

You are the one who claims you have been here longer so you have been bastardized more, we were Turks to start with so in reality we returned to our roots.