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Re: Turkish Cypriot Liberation Day

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:13 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...this will not give Grecophones or Turcophones the autonomy they need to sustain their identities as Persons; it is not even Bicommunal.

...this does not identify us as Individuals either (without distinction or discrimination).

in your Cyprus, how do Turcophones, or Grecophones (or Maronites or Armenians for that matter) make decisions and collect taxes toward their unique aims?


Decisions are made for each state by their local ministrations with country wide decisions being decided on by the federal government where a guaranteed balance between the two states. As for taxes this can be collected by local admin but they can be accountable to the federal level to stop any mishandling of funds eg Greece.
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Re: Turkish Cypriot Liberation Day

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:09 pm

...by local ministrations, i assume you mean to say National Assemblies; and by balance i assume you mean all National Assemblies being equal; and by accountable to a federal government, you must mean an independant body, supreme because it is above these National Assemblies, Sovereign because it represents all its Citizens, all Cypriots as Individuals, each with an identical vote to express the desires they have in bettering the Universal Principals for which they stand united.

...who will collect taxes, for what; this i assume is the question.

...two levels of government, as well as the Municipal level, is most suitable for taxpayers to be close to their tax dollars, so that they have more immediate satisfaction from their decision-making; it is why i find so exciting this oppurtunity to define a Unitary State as Bicommunal, allowing for Distinct Identities to thrive by a geographical provision with Territorial Jurisdictions (Bizonal).

...Freedom from "Turkish" shit is a dream, i suspect for Turks; like it must be for Greeks (from "Greeks"), as Cypriots: it is a unique opportunity, and it can change the world.
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Re: Turkish Cypriot Liberation Day

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:45 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...by local ministrations, i assume you mean to say National Assemblies; and by balance i assume you mean all National Assemblies being equal; and by accountable to a federal government, you must mean an independant body, supreme because it is above these National Assemblies, Sovereign because it represents all its Citizens, all Cypriots as Individuals, each with an identical vote to express the desires they have in bettering the Universal Principals for which they stand united.

...who will collect taxes, for what; this i assume is the question.

...two levels of government, as well as the Municipal level, is most suitable for taxpayers to be close to their tax dollars, so that they have more immediate satisfaction from their decision-making; it is why i find so exciting this oppurtunity to define a Unitary State as Bicommunal, allowing for Distinct Identities to thrive by a geographical provision with Territorial Jurisdictions (Bizonal).

...Freedom from "Turkish" shit is a dream, i suspect for Turks; like it must be for Greeks (from "Greeks"), as Cypriots: it is a unique opportunity, and it can change the world.


By local administration i mean exactly that the state being administered locally who are accountable to the federal level which has guaranteed GC and TC representation of both states.
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Re: Turkish Cypriot Liberation Day

Postby Lordo » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:16 pm

Majority of GCs are not interested in any form of sharing. Considering trying to make the TCs a minority started this problem, we are still back in 1963. That was exactly what they wanted then. 49 years and they have not moved from that stupid mentality.
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Re: Turkish Cypriot Liberation Day

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:37 am

Totally agree Lordo our partnership mentality was clear through Taksim whereas the GCs always wanted our annialation and ethnic total ethnic cleansing by giving all of Cyprus to Greece.
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Re: Turkish Cypriot Liberation Day

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:37 am

...such a comedy, the past in mythic proportions, as a reason to condone Ignorance; whether Greek or Turkish.

...it would be so easy, if all Greeks are the same, it would be easier still if "Turkishness" did not need enforcement as well.

"By local administration i mean exactly that the state being administered locally who are accountable to the federal level which has guaranteed GC and TC representation of both states.", vp, i do not contradict your desire, if i understand it correctly, but i think i have been more forthright in explaining my thinking's relevance more clearly; the chuminess with Lordo is good propaganda for the internal consumption of "Turks", but the Truth is that Mankind gives us our Freedom, it is to them that Cypriots demonstrate their commitment to the Universal Principals that recognise our equality as Humans; within our realm, for which we are Sovereign, we choose to identify our distinctions as Persons: this is Bicommunal.

...why are you so afraid of your distinction as an Individual, without having to be identified as a Person? why is it impossible to sustain your Identity as a Person, if as Individuals, other Persons obtain the same rights? this too is Bicommunal.

...an equal number of seats for our representation as Turcophones and as Grecophones; there is a security from either bias Federally.
...one man one vote in Principal; each Citizen votes once from two seperate slates, electing their Turkish and their Greek representative to this House
...Parties, to win must stand on Principals, for a Majority of seats they must appeal to the population as a whole; service whether Grecophone or Turcophone is optimised, as electors have a wider choice toward expressing personally their views.
...a third slate will elect an Independant Representative for a Lower House, in effect representing by population and by concensus assuring sober second thinking. if as is predicted for the long run (up to 200 years), the population increases will include a widely different demographic of the island's dwellers, then this House will play a very important role in expressing these facts as a voting power.

...indeed, if the National Assemblies were accountable to such a Federal Government, their actions as independently representing their elector's, as Persons, provides the services for their daily lives that they desire first, and in a manner where, as a Distinct Identity they recognise and respect the Minorities amongst themselves. i do not propose to define what these National Assemblies should look like or function, however, within their Charter, i know that the same Principal of Democracy must be seen as at the Federal level, voters are equal, and counted by their residency.

...as i've said before, a Turkish Constituency and a Republic exist, it remains to be seen what is the Greek Constituency, this it seems, for anyone who sees Cyprus as one, and Cypriots many, should be asking out loud. if we want to define BBF it is essential, and if Cyprus is to remain united as one people, it cannot remain a domain so dysfunctional, having been torn apart. as Cypriots first, there is Freedom, we can enjoy the Liberty of National Identities as well: this is the "red line" as it is drawn today that all of us must start from.
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Re: Turkish Cypriot Liberation Day

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:47 am

Your proposals are to complicated and will in very short time span fail, you have to understand that in the initial stages neither side trust the other totally thats why a sense of self governance has to be established through a states systems whereby the two states meet at the federal level to work for the good of the country as a whole. People cannot be exoected on day one to hand over their whole future to Yorgo or Ahmet in your case, but over time and with positive results people will witness first hand that union is far better (if that is indeed the case).
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Re: Turkish Cypriot Liberation Day

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:46 pm

...it does not negate my observations.

you, if you are a Cypriot, should be asking, where is the Greek Constituency?

...your premise is (may be) correct for a BBF only if three (at least) governing bodies represent themselves.
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Re: Turkish Cypriot Liberation Day

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:24 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...it does not negate my observations.

you, if you are a Cypriot, should be asking, where is the Greek Constituency?

...your premise is (may be) correct for a BBF only if three (at least) governing bodies represent themselves.


GCs rejected a constituent state they want the whole island and to force us into minority status.
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Re: Turkish Cypriot Liberation Day

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:46 pm

...whatever vp, it's just your conjecture.

i won't tell you what "Turks" or Turks want, you quit telling me what "Greeks" or Greeks want, and we discuss what we (you and me) want; how's that?
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