Cyprus-Forum.com

[Viewpoint]

repulse you have revealed that you want to peddle unity but your real mission is to hand Cyprus as a whole on a plate to GCs giving them the state forcing us into minority status.

vp, you sound like a broken record, not even a dogmatist. that's the best you can do?

...once again there exist ourselves as Persons in National Assemblies, each sustaining the distinction of their constituency within a territorial jurisdiction; and yes within a Cyprus with its Federal Government representing us without distinction or discrimination, but as Individuals.

...if you think about my manifesto, you will come to understand that as a Turcophone you have a means to effect your daily life with the infrastructure (schools, hospitals, etc.) your taxdollars pay for within the National Assembly, equal to the Greek Constituency, the Maronite, Latin and Armenian, which will allow for each a chance to demonstrate their Goodwill toward the Minorities which live among them. do you deny that as Humans we have the same needs? have you no concern for Cyprus and its rare and beautiful Heritance, which as an ethnosphere is in danger of total plunder?

...Bicommunal does not mean tearing the island into two seperate pieces.

...are you a Man, first?

repulse the truth is very repetitive why not embrace ot and then try and suggest clear and viable solution?

What has me gender got to do with anything?

vp, i guessed you would have understood the difference between a Man and a man; my apologies.

repulse the truth is very repetitive why not embrace ot and then try and suggest clear and viable solution?

...dude, i thank you for being so obstinent, years now you have refined my thinking and my ability to express it, clearly.

i choose to be a Human first, my love for Cyprus is rooted in this great responsibility, i do not deny the ethnosphere on this island is as old as any Civilization we will find on this part of the planet, and that all of it is threatened with extinction; i fight for it to prosper, and thrive, in a manner where others in the same circumstamces would find the BBF in Cyprus a template for their emulation because it demonstrates an ability for Citizens to support Universal Principals as Individuals, while as Persons they have also their self-representation toward sustaining Unique Identities.

(although i get your joke, your gender important to others (and possibly, my apology to Women for using this term in another thread)) but, your dig to them denies me my answer (again).

respectfully, as a contemporary who has put in so much time toward an end to the Problem, can you at least talk to me when you reply, ignoring the nasty habit of telling me who i must be because i am Greek, and that you hate all "Greeks".

why not take the time to read my manifesto, and reply point by point, allow me the chance to reply, isn't it time to take a serious look?

....Man, as in Mankind, a Human first; not man the gender.

Your utopian views are just that to far to reach and without support, you have reavealed that its is your goal to hand Cyprus as a whole to the majority whıch happen to be your own kind, where does that leave us? a minority amongst "humans" which happen to be our rapists....this is what you advocate are you aware of this?

[repulsewarrior]

vp prove it, please, i welcome you, if i am a racist then i want to change; one thing i know, it is the Ignorance that you rail against that is my enemy too.

with your accusations, do the right thing and challenge all our minds as readers, demonstrate these facts, where as a Human i'm failing Cyprus.

...it is not hard, if it is the Truth, don't just read the manifesto, dissect it point by point, you may find the answer to better me.

Freedom for Cyprus, Freedom for Cypriots too!

[B25]

RW, you should give up on VP, she will just twist everything you say, with gobbledigook and BS and spit all out again. I mean come on, anyone who can come out with such slogans, cliches, paramithia and the rest of the shit she spews, in the end she will have you say the sky is green. FFS.

Bottom line, VP is a turk, gaining by the occupation regime being there and will not let go of her stolen goods. That is the be all and end all of it. She cares not got the average TCs she claims to represent, another lie, is just the Turkish mouthpiece of her motherland.

Save your breath, you have no chance to reason with her.

[Viewpoint]

RW, you should give up on VP, she will just twist everything you say, with gobbledigook and BS and spit all out again. I mean come on, anyone who can come out with such slogans, cliches, paramithia and the rest of the shit she spews, in the end she will have you say the sky is green. FFS.

Bottom line, VP is a turk, gaining by the occupation regime being there and will not let go of her stolen goods. That is the be all and end all of it. She cares not got the average TCs she claims to represent, another lie, is just the Turkish mouthpiece of her motherland.

Save your breath, you have no chance to reason with her.

The fact that you cannot even get my gender right is clear testament to how stupid you really are and that people should never take you serious which they dont. You cannot stand facing the truth so you you bury your head in the stand hoping it will all go away, boooo we are still here time you faced and dealt with what we are saying rather showing the despot mentality which has gotten you nowhere near a solution.

[Viewpoint]

vp prove it, please, i welcome you, if i am a racist then i want to change; one thing i know, it is the Ignorance that you rail against that is my enemy too.

with your accusations, do the right thing and challenge all our minds as readers, demonstrate these facts, where as a Human i'm failing Cyprus.

...it is not hard, if it is the Truth, don't just read the manifesto, dissect it point by point, you may find the answer to better me.

Freedom for Cyprus, Freedom for Cypriots too!

You have proven and accepted that your real aim is to hand the whole island over to the control of GCs, you r manifesto thingey over time does exactly that why dont you quote to us the pasrts which you feel would guarantee the TCs equality and their own state consisting of 29% of the island.

[repulsewarrior]

here are the rainbow lines i draw:

1. the federal government defines its Citizens as Individuals; by their residence.

2. the voting is democratic, all voters voting in the same way, all votes are given the same weight.

3. the legislature for the federal government is Bicameral, it is the Upper House that provides leadership, having seats equally divided among Turkish and Greek representatives where a majority of seats must be won by a leader who becomes President. and a Lower House which is elected by Population, as Independants representing sober second thinking, voting by consensus through a Speaker, they would also sit in Government Committees...

4. as such, a voter will vote thricely (voting once), from three seperate slates, so that the best representatives are elected by and for the voter's riding, they will vote for their Turkish Cypriot Representative and their Greek Cypriot Representative, as well as their Independant. Representative...

...do the math (for the Upper and Lower House), then assume larger populations and a different demographic, do the math again...

...then consider how over time a representative's experience and expertise can grow, and consider how this changing population is open to a representation in the future which will sustain Turkish and Greek identities by civic leaders of neither ethnicity.

5. the Turkish constituent state, and the Greek constituent state shall be equal, in that they each represent themselves as Persons in a National Assembly where their electorate is identified by their residence, and in that they obtian their Charter meeting the same criteria determined by the federal government which retains its Sovereignty while assigning territorial Jurisdiction.

6. Bizonal shall define a geographic representation of our commitment to redressing the suffering of all displaced, with their return, for some as communities. thus the island as it is divided has to its political geography many pockets added everywhere, resulting in the obligation of the National Assemblies to provide their service to an electorate that is island-wide.

7. settlers who apply for Citizenship, who are accepted, and who will be newly displaced (from the repopulation) shall be provided homes, or at their choosing compensation.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus31695.html

cheers!

[Viewpoint]

repulsewarrior"]

here are the rainbow lines i draw:

1. the federal government defines its Citizens as Individuals; by their residence.

So how are you elected to federal government?
What is the balance between north and south states?

2. the voting is democratic, all voters voting in the same way, all votes are given the same weight.

Again who do the people vote for in each state? and how does that effect the federal level?

3. the legislature for the federal government is Bicameral, it is the Upper House that provides leadership, having seats equally divided among Turkish and Greek representatives where a majority of seats must be won by a leader who becomes President. and a Lower House which is elected by Population, as Independants representing sober second thinking, voting by consensus through a Speaker, they would also sit in Government Committees...

Are the seats in the upper house guaranteed to each ethnic group?
Please clarify how the leader is elected, if both states have equal number of swats how do they produce a leader with a majority of seats?


4. as such, a voter will vote thricely (voting once), from three seperate slates, so that the best representatives are elected by and for the voter's riding, they will vote for their Turkish Cypriot Representative and their Greek Cypriot Representative, as well as their Independant. Representative...

To confusing and complicated 3 votes for the reps in which house? upper or lower?

...do the math (for the Upper and Lower House), then assume larger populations and a different demographic, do the math again...

...then consider how over time a representative's experience and expertise can grow, and consider how this changing population is open to a representation in the future which will sustain Turkish and Greek identities by civic leaders of neither ethnicity.

Please clarify

5. the Turkish constituent state, and the Greek constituent state shall be equal, in that they each represent themselves as Persons in a National Assembly where their electorate is identified by their residence, and in that they obtian their Charter meeting the same criteria determined by the federal government which retains its Sovereignty while assigning territorial Jurisdiction.

So if the GCs populate the north state they can in fact elect a GC rep who can tip the balance in favor of the GCs?

6. Bizonal shall define a geographic representation of our commitment to redressing the suffering of all displaced, with their return, for some as communities. thus the island as it is divided has to its political geography many pockets added everywhere, resulting in the obligation of the National Assemblies to provide their service to an electorate that is island-wide.

Totally disagree, no pockets or cantons....two defined areas is the only way forward for TCs.

7. settlers who apply for Citizenship, who are accepted, and who will be newly displaced (from the repopulation) shall be provided homes, or at their choosing compensation.

OK

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus31695.html

cheers!

[repulsewarrior]

...thanks vp,

i did reply point by point but the message crashed.

in essence, if you reread point four your answers are there.

...even if a majority of the population is as you call them GC living it in the Turkish consitiuency (point 5), they would represent themselves as Turcophones.

after so much effort, years, it seems i am suffering from burnout; memories of other efforts, and loosing something to the ether rather than being ignored must be getting to me. i will try again, obviously.

one point you seem to miss, there are National Assemblies that have Territorial Jurisdictions (and there can be many), there exists a State, a seperate level of government where as Individuals, Cypriots are Sovereign; this is Bicommunal.

[Viewpoint]

Repulse you do not have to make a solution to complicated otherwise it will fail, all we have to do is have two clear states north and south 29% TC 71% GC, people can decide which administration they wish to reside under, people vote countrywide for the MP they want to represent them and the for example GC and TC MPs with the most votes get into government guaranteeing 30TCs and 70GCs who in turn in order to pass laws at the federal level have to obtain the votes of certain predetermined numbers of TC and GC votes. The head can be elected from amongst them this would encourage unity as they would have to get enough votes from both states in order to succeed. The veto can be saved for really important issues that would effect the constitution of one state more negatively than the other. What do you think can the GCs share do they really want to share?

[repulsewarrior]

...this will not give Grecophones or Turcophones the autonomy they need to sustain their identities as Persons; it is not even Bicommunal.

...this does not identify us as Individuals either (without distinction or discrimination).

in your Cyprus, how do Turcophones, or Grecophones (or Maronites or Armenians for that matter) make decisions and collect taxes toward their unique aims?