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[GreekIslandGirl]

MeeD thank you for an honesty answer.

Now that we have established that by international law we have community rights which can also be called a partnership you have to respect and request changes that we can accept....under no circumstancies will we relinquish our community rights for rights of a minority in a GC state...this you have to forget so that you can move on and generate alternative ideas such as BBF with politicla equality of the 2 states which you Gcs do not understand nor have you 100% commited to.

VP,

it's time you realised that the concept of community rights, obtained legally or otherwise, has never worked in any part of the world so the challenge for us all to come up with some out-of-the-box thinking rather than waving pieces of paper around.

The bare facts and lessons from history show that minority rights do actually work and are enshrined in EU law.

That's why my solution is for the Cypriotization of Cyprus, because my view is that we should all be first and foremost equal Cypriots irrespective of our ethnicity be that Cypriot, Greek, Turkish, British, Russian, Maronite ...

I think its the GCs that need more persuading than us, you should really start there, they are more Greek than Cypriots....they still believe Cyprus is a Greek island.

Now back to our rights which you confirm do exist as per international agreements which bear your signature, as for waving pieces of paper around you people are far greater experts at that than us.

In order to erase our rights which appears to be your main goal you have to persuade TCs that minority rights are far better than what they have today....ı can tell you my friend you stand absolutely no chance as they would rather continue on the path of Turkification than give into that GC demand. The middle ground is the best option a BBF with political equality of the 2 states where veryone can move and settle freely around the island but administrations remain TC in the north and GC south....or suggest alternatives where the Tcs are allowed to rule themselves in the north.

Minority rights are not about erasing peoples rights.

Every Cypriot has the same basic rights irrespective of ethnicity, but minority rights exist to protect any specific rights a particular group has.

I don't understand why you have a problem with this, particularly as most TCs choose to live in other EU countries as a minority, comfortable in the fact that their minority rights are, as in the RoC, protected in EU law.

MeeD you have to understand what you are asking of us, that is to hand over the whole country to the GCs and accept to be at the mercy of the GCs as a minority hoping that they will apply our rights fairly and without discrimination, we cannot do this never noway. As for those TCs who live as a minority abroad they chose to reside where as you want to force me into a situation i do not want. This is my country and I will not be turned into a foreigner in my own land.

You are a foreigner. You fraternize with foreigners. This is not your land. Never was. Hence your theft! Unrecognized, says it all!

[Lordo]

The SICKO VIEWS AS EXPRESSED BY LORDO AND PCDouble, without any hint of common decency and without reservation on several occasions over the past few weeks are the views of people who are delighted to be able to celebrate the deaths of thousands of CYs by jumping and down on their graves (if they could find where a good many are buried of course)... and that's an opinion bourn out by the disgusting title of this thread.

... and these views become the views of the UGLIEST OF RACIST BIGOTS, the views of THE SUPPORTERS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING when they imply that the lives of the loved ones of the people living in the Free Areas who were murdered in their thousands are justified so that Lordo can prance and stroll around at his leisure and make his Apartheid Demands with the support and backing of the MURDERERS IN THE TURKISH STATE standing in the shadows just behind him.

Some peoples' views really are a disgrace to humanity.

(You are a turning in to an unimaginably great disappointment to many, Lordo)

Perhaps rather than throwing insults, you can say a few words about what would have happened, once all GC opposition was eliminated? Please tell us Bill, was a knight in shining armour was going to arrive from Mars and protect the Turkish Cypriots from the Junta?

Give us an idea what was being planned for the TCs?

Of course there was no chance that complete villages would be wiped out, was there. No chance at all.

The real disgusting aspect of you guys is how easy you forget defenceless women and children being wiped out.

The media can't even mention the events afte 47 years. Some democracy.

Grow up my friend and face reality before even the most liberal Turkish Cypriots turn against the RoC. Then your goose is really cooked. You can kiss goodbye to the 10% you were getting back.

[B25]

What 10%, we are not after 10%, we will get back the whole 37% with or with out you. Arsehole.

[bill cobbett]

The SICKO VIEWS AS EXPRESSED BY LORDO AND PCDouble, without any hint of common decency and without reservation on several occasions over the past few weeks are the views of people who are delighted to be able to celebrate the deaths of thousands of CYs by jumping and down on their graves (if they could find where a good many are buried of course)... and that's an opinion bourn out by the disgusting title of this thread.

... and these views become the views of the UGLIEST OF RACIST BIGOTS, the views of THE SUPPORTERS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING when they imply that the lives of the loved ones of the people living in the Free Areas who were murdered in their thousands are justified so that Lordo can prance and stroll around at his leisure and make his Apartheid Demands with the support and backing of the MURDERERS IN THE TURKISH STATE standing in the shadows just behind him.

Some peoples' views really are a disgrace to humanity.

(You are a turning in to an unimaginably great disappointment to many, Lordo)

Perhaps rather than throwing insults, you can say a few words about what would have happened, once all GC opposition was eliminated? Please tell us Bill, was a knight in shining armour was going to arrive from Mars and protect the Turkish Cypriots from the Junta?

Give us an idea what was being planned for the TCs?

Of course there was no chance that complete villages would be wiped out, was there. No chance at all.

The real disgusting aspect of you guys is how easy you forget defenceless women and children being wiped out.

The media can't even mention the events afte 47 years. Some democracy.

Grow up my friend and face reality before even the most liberal Turkish Cypriots turn against the RoC. Then your goose is really cooked. You can kiss goodbye to the 10% you were getting back.

Hang on a mo...!

You're the one who started a very provocative and disgusting thread...!!!!

You're the one who chose the Title.

... and you're the one who thought it wise to post that you were gonna play Marching Music in celebration. Don't you stop for a minute to think about how that would make people feel who have lost friends and family members numbering in thousands...???

... not terribly One CY eh... ?

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[Lordo]

But you are avoiding a very simple question. What if Turkey never intervened? Then what? Please explain who was going to be invited to the tea party?

[bill cobbett]

But you are avoiding a very simple question. What if Turkey never intervened? Then what? Please explain who was going to be invited to the tea party?

if...

(my favourite film)

Turkey had not intervened to serve its own interests by ANNEXING MUCH OF CY then several thousand CYs including those of Murataga and Sandallar might still be alive.

[Me Ed]

Minority rights are not about erasing peoples rights.

Every Cypriot has the same basic rights irrespective of ethnicity, but minority rights exist to protect any specific rights a particular group has.

I don't understand why you have a problem with this, particularly as most TCs choose to live in other EU countries as a minority, comfortable in the fact that their minority rights are, as in the RoC, protected in EU law.

"Hello, I'm Mister Ed

A horse is a horse, of course of course,
and no one can talk to a horse of course,
that is of course, unless the horse,
Is the famous Mister Ed! "

Ok, Mr Ed, just like banananiot and Boom-Boom, you obviously post with the aim of gaining applaud from the Turks and in doing so prove yourself to be one of their useful idiots. If you're so much into human rights, why not point out to your turco buddies how they've made 200,000 Cypriots refugees in their own country, and whom they refuse their right to return, uh-ha! Maybe point out to them how during the 80's they destroyed 3,000 Kurdish villages and refuse those refugees to go back, uh-ha! You blabber away, much to the applause of the Turcos, and yet avoid replying to my questions. Why is that? Because you're obssessed with the turcos praising you. It makes you feel really important to what is really a dead-head life that you lead, uh-ha! Why don't you give your two-bits regarding the murders of Isaak and Solomou, uh-ha? You're turco advocate considers them justified? While you tickle his cajones with a feather and demand the removal of the Greek flag in the free Republic, you dont bat an eyelid that they're killing your own fellow countrymen for removing that symbol of occupation, the Turkish flag from your country. Do you? Come on, answer it! If you're so much into minority rights why did you conventiantly remain mute in that thread regarding that Kurd who is facing a quarter-of-a-century in prison for having a lemon in his position, ah-ha?

Oh no, you won't dare bring these up, will you. That's because you're their useful idiot and a hypocrite. You, banananiot and Boom-Boom have brown-colored tongues from licking too much turco butts.

Well Mr B'outi,

I didn't realise that donning the flag of the Hellenic Republic as your avatar and blasting everything TC is sight was the way forward.

Unfortunately, its Greek wannabes like you that have obliterated all of the TCs seeking dialog on this forum, and all you're left with are the likes of VP and YLordo that are hell bent on partition.

I don't get the impression that VP and Lordo particularly like me or perceive me as a Turkish butt licker, but what I do know is that they will happily let you feed all of their prejudices, so the only useful idiot to them is you.

Finally, please don't associate me with Bananoit as he totally lacks balance on the Cyprus issue.

[repulsewarrior]

But you are avoiding a very simple question. What if Turkey never intervened? Then what? Please explain who was going to be invited to the tea party?

your so called terrible coup lasted two days. no one supported the coupists, no blood thirsty "Greeks" in hoards appeared, and within two weeks, Cypriots were betrayed by the Turkish Army. Turkey tarnished her own image at defending the Universal Principals her esteemed International Partners expected from her as a Guarantor, Turkey is slow to realise that Cyprus is not just property, on it there exists its People, the Cypriots. it is Mankind who gave them this distinction, over which she is expressing her design.

lordo, i've asked vp on a number of times to read my manifesto, i would like it if you would be willing to debate its merits, based on the Principal that we are Humans first.

vp, you discuss the words community and minority, i will correct you, you are both. and in a BBF you are equal to a Greek as a Constituency (or Maronite, etc.) because there is a State where as Citizens we identify ourselves as Individuals who stand united in defending the Sovereignty of Cyprus, unlike within the National Assemblies where we would sustain a distinctive identity as Persons toward providing for our daily lives. why not Free the Republic of Cyprus to reform itself with a Federal Government that best defends the Sovereignty of Cyprus for its People as Cypriots, because the Turkish Cypriots demand the noble experiment, a Greek Constituency, (and others their equal) apart, to define their territorial jurisdictions where unanimously they can present this Agreement toward their Charter as Governing Bodies with Electors and a Right to collect Taxes from the Republic, toward sustaining, each, their Idendities first while demonstrating their Goodwill toward the Minorities that live amongst them, within their Territorial Jurisdiction. ...sorry dude, i do ramble.

MeEd, sir most respectfully i agree, a Unitary State is the only solution which can be acceptable to all concerned. however, in my mind life can be far sweeter than a monoclonal state. Cyprus has an ethnosphere in flux, we must save it from extiction, it is why it is important to define Bizonal and Bicommunal carefully so that it serves as a template for the World where a population has this nature, as Persons quite distinct from their collectivity as a State.

Turkish Cypriot Liberation Day is an oxymoron more suitably describing a fraud because it is not Freedom.

[kimon07]

Meed just answer yes or no;

Does your constitution a internationally binding agreement have rights of the Turkish Cypriot Community? (eg Veto right).

After Cyprus entered the EU such undemocratic "constitutional" terms are not valid any more. But since you seem to be so fond of the provisions of that constitution please tell me. Are you prepared to abide by all of them? Including the those defining one sovereignty. And that TCs are subjects and citizens of the RoC?
No? Well. In that case, lets start looking in what the international law and the European Law stipulates about minorities. And draw a new constitution which will be respecting those principles. Shall we?

[Viewpoint]

Meed just answer yes or no;

Does your constitution a internationally binding agreement have rights of the Turkish Cypriot Community? (eg Veto right).

After Cyprus entered the EU such undemocratic "constitutional" terms are not valid any more. But since you seem to be so fond of the provisions of that constitution please tell me. Are you prepared to abide by all of them? Including the those defining one sovereignty. And that TCs are subjects and citizens of the RoC?
No? Well. In that case, lets start looking in what the international law and the European Law stipulates about minorities. And draw a new constitution which will be respecting those principles. Shall we?

Your doing what every GCs has been trying to do over history, sweep away our rights...you signed an agreement which gives us partnershi rights you cannot just in a few words throw this in the bin...and offer minority rights it dont work that way. Thats why the world supports the UN in their mission to bring about a BBF with political equality of the 2 states, this is a far cry from your offer and what you know we will never accept. Have you gotten your head around the fact that we are partners in Cyprus and not just a some minority you can tell to shut up and accept your fate.