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Postby Bananiot » Sun May 27, 2012 1:22 pm

Yes boomerang, we owe it to them. To even suggest that they should not be taught anything because (especially) science is indoctrinating, is a definite step into the Middle ages.
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Re: ...evolution (not!), noah's ark.

Postby boomerang » Sun May 27, 2012 1:27 pm

Bananiot wrote:Yes boomerang, we owe it to them. To even suggest that they should not be taught anything because (especially) science is indoctrinating, is a definite step into the Middle ages.


yes i can picture the kids enduring a semester of backwardism...very productive indeed...
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Re: ...evolution (not!), noah's ark.

Postby boomerang » Sun May 27, 2012 1:31 pm

at the bottom of the page under the graph in RW reference url...
They’re third from the bottom: only the U.S. (shame on us!) and Turkey are lower. (Turkish citizens answer the three religion questions given above at 95%, 2%, and 1%. Many Cypriots are of Turkish origin, of course.)


wow no one picked up on this?...not even our resident wannabe greeks?...amazing...
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Re: ...evolution (not!), noah's ark.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun May 27, 2012 1:46 pm

Bananiot wrote:What about the public debate GIG? What are your thoughts? This is a serious issue that begs for answers.


There are many debates on teaching theories. I'm not a teacher-type. I used to enjoy debates at conferences, but they involved scientists, not teachers. I gave-up my obsession with science to concentrate on family life. Perhaps in 3 years time - I have no problem with it, I suppose. We'll stay in touch. :)

But, I can already see from discussing with you that you have difficulty seeing how faith-based teaching of science is just as wrong (more so?) as what the Church does when it asks to accept doctrine and not question.

Personally, I cannot tolerate being spoon-fed ready-made theories, be they Creation or Evolution (the one I adhere to, pending further research - although it has stood the test of time since Aristotle first formulated the basis).

Novelty is the driving force.
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Re: ...evolution (not!), noah's ark.

Postby Bananiot » Sun May 27, 2012 2:02 pm

We have discussed faith-based teaching in science? In your dreams, perhaps.
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Re: ...evolution (not!), noah's ark.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun May 27, 2012 2:04 pm

One of the problems I have come across when kids are taught "Evolution" is that they get it mixed-up with "Food Chains".
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Re: ...evolution (not!), noah's ark.

Postby Bananiot » Sun May 27, 2012 2:05 pm

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Re: ...evolution (not!), noah's ark.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun May 27, 2012 2:25 pm

Bananiot wrote:In the meantime, ponder on this:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/ ... evolution/


That's interesting.

It's easy to forget the struggle for survival aspect and the inbuilt mutation errors. How many lost species along the way with no fossil records?
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Re: ...evolution (not!), noah's ark.

Postby bill cobbett » Sun May 27, 2012 5:26 pm

Yes, good point by bsharpish and GI Girl on the paucity of the fossil record. The conditions under which fossils are made are very, very rare and for the humanoid record, it's reckoned that all the fossils collected, through history the world over, will fit in to a single pick-up truck.
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Re: ...evolution (not!), noah's ark.

Postby bill cobbett » Mon May 28, 2012 1:32 pm

Coincidentally, Richard Dawkins is reported by the Beeb over the weekend to be urging schools in GB to keep a copy of the Bible so that students can make up their own minds as to whether it's a volume about morals.

Also gives as part of his reasoning and any native speaker of English would agree, that the King James' Bible, what is also known as the Authorised Version, is English at its highest level in a single volume with a style of English that is very current in that so many of the words and phrases we use today originate from it. Here are a few...

the salt of the earth
go the extra mile;
I wash my hands of it
filthy lucre
through a glass darkly
wolf in sheep's clothing
hide your light under a bushel
no peace for the wicked.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18224114
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