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It’s time to let Greece go

Postby boomerang » Fri May 25, 2012 3:16 am

It’s time to let Greece go


Adding political mayhem to economic instability, Greece has dominated the news once again in recent weeks.

The only positive thing is that Greek democratic institutions appear to be working well, and they have not been threatened by the crisis. As a result, Greece’s fate will be decided by the majority of its citizens.

Inclusion in the eurozone provided Greek governments with an unprecedented access to credit at uncharacteristically low interest rates. The elected Greek governments decided to go on a shopping spree, and eventually it became apparent that Greece wouldn’t be able to pay its bills.

You might think that the Greeks will blame themselves for this overindulgence and realize that something will need to give for the accumulated debt to be paid. Not a chance. Conspiracy theories abound, but we very seldom hear about the root of the problem. Greece is a country where worker productivity is extremely low, where labor costs are high and where citizens expect their government to provide benefits that are beyond the country’s means.

While the narrative of the debate has been in terms of “austerity versus growth,” it is important to realize that the Greeks don’t just reject austerity. They fundamentally reject reform. First and foremost a Balkan nation, the Greeks have always been skeptical of markets. The majority of Greeks appear to believe that they are victims of the international financial system, of German hegemony and of unfair treatment. Instead of a more flexible labor market, Greeks would like to see government-related employment rise. The so-called “anti-austerity” parties gained popularity by declaring their support for all kinds of benefits necessary for “human dignity” — benefits that Greece can simply not afford.

Why, then, is Europe so reluctant to see Greece leave the eurozone? One reason relates to the fear of contagion of the crisis to the other debt-ridden European Union (EU) countries. Yet another reason is not economic, but emotional. It’s hard for non-Europeans to realize the symbolic significance of the euro project for Europe. In the absence of a common language, the common currency provides a symbol of unity on a continent where most neighboring countries have been historically linked through conflict. To put this project at risk is considered unthinkable. Yet, a threshold has been reached where Greece’s stay in the eurozone puts the euro project at more risk than its exit would. Europe cannot afford to have Greece hold it hostage any longer, and German Angela Chancellor Merkel has taken the correct stance in declaring the terms of the bailout nonnegotiable.

Should Greek elections bring to power a coalition that decides to reject the previous acceptance of these measures, Greece should be forced to exit the eurozone and all possible support should turn instead to the remaining countries that face serious fiscal challenges. Greece is a special case, a country that should never have entered the eurozone in the first place, and the European Union will do well to emphasize that. Indeed, there are some promising signs that other EU periphery countries are far more willing than Greece to embrace reform.

What will exit from the euro mean for Greece? It will be very bad news indeed. Some have argued that Greece will be able to artificially boost its exports through weakening its new national currency, but this is unlikely to happen at a level that would make a difference. Greece’s economy is extremely uncompetitive and, unlike Argentina (which devalued its currency and defaulted on its debt in 2002), Greece does not have a strong export tradition. Several banks will fail, and there are already some signs that the financial system will be subject to tremendous strain, and a possible collapse. Imports, including those related to energy use, will become unaffordable, and the standards of living will drop to a point where social unrest might be inevitable. It will be a rough and highly uncertain path for the small nation, but one that its citizens seem to have chosen for themselves.

What an irony that the nation located where democracy was invented is one election away from democratically choosing to self-destruct.


Ted Temzelides, Ph.D., is a professor of economics and a Baker Institute Rice scholar. He has consulted for the Federal Reserve as well as the European Central Bank. His research concentrates on macroeconomics and energy economics; he currently studies the effect of research and development in renewable energy sources on economic growth and the design of emissions trading mechanisms.

http://blog.chron.com/bakerblog/2012/05/its-time-to-let-greece-go/


wow a greek is another anti greek...

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Re: It’s time to let Greece go

Postby boomerang » Fri May 25, 2012 3:37 am


Greece doing little to fight corruption, group says
Reuters – Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:46 PM EST.. .

ATHENS (Reuters) - Greece does little to enforce anti-corruption rules and many of its laws condone graft, undermining its efforts to reform and pull itself out of a debt crisis, Transparency International said in a report released on Wednesday.

"We all know about the debt crisis, but Greece is also suffering a crisis of values," said Costas Bakouris, head of the corruption group's Greek division. "It has the right laws in place but does little to enforce them."

Greece, dependent on international support to remain solvent, has struggled for years with rampant corruption that has hampered efforts to raise taxes and reform its stricken economy, now in its fifth year of deep recession.

It should narrowly avert bankruptcy next month after euro zone leaders approved a new bailout package, but irate foreign lenders are waiting nervously to see whether it follows through on pledges to reform itself.

The report said Greece had many laws in place to fight corruption but they were not being enforced.

On the other hand, laws that allow buildings built illegally to be approved later, and allow "special" accounts at ministries where transparency rules do not apply effectively condoned corruption, it said.

The report urged Greece to improve rules on disclosing the accounts of political parties, put in place stronger rules to make private companies more transparent and merge existing anti-corruption agencies into a single body.

Greece was ranked 80th out of 183 countries in the group's 2011 corruption perceptions index, below countries like China, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia and Cuba. Only Bulgaria ranked lower in the European Union and Western Europe section.

Corruption is expected to be a major issue when Greeks hold elections in April, amid rising anger among ordinary people at what they see as a corrupt political class that has enriched itself and dragged the country close to bankruptcy.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greece-doing-little-fight-corruption-174656176.html


come on, greece a corrupt country...pe mas kati pou endo kserome...
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Re: It’s time to let Greece go

Postby boomerang » Fri May 25, 2012 3:41 am

Greece is corrupt to the bone
May 9, 2012


“George Papandreou, the former Pasok prime minister who resigned last year, described his own country as ‘corrupt to the bone’ in his first EU summit in 2009. While the comments shocked his European peers, the legitimacy of Greece’s membership of the single currency has always been in question. Soon after joining the euro, Greece’s claims to have met the economic targets for membership were thrown into doubt by accounting revisions. In 2006, Greece’s GDP jumped 25 per cent overnight when it sought to include prostitution and money-laundering in its calculations. Greece’s record is one of mishandling EU subsidies and fiddling figures.” Editorial, ‘Greece alone must decide its fate’, Financial Times, May 9, 2012

Greece’s problems stem from a long history of profligacy and from the refusal of successive governments to tackle a hidebound system of rent-seeking and rent-protection that privileges insiders at the expense of those outside the network. Vital structural reforms have foundered on the opposition of the mainstream parties whose electoral bases were grounded on shameless payouts to privileged under-performers.

The eurozone bailout negotiations over the past months of financial crisis were designed to induce reforms where previously they had been denied. New Democracy and Pasok, albeit reluctantly, signed off on minimalist reforms in order to secure the E174 billion rescue deal that is now in jeopardy.

The two-third majority registered against New Democracy and Pasok in last week’s elections, therefore, was not registered in favor of economic reforms. Those votes emanated from the same insiders who live off the privileges of a rent-seeking society and who have now deserted the parties that have turned minimally against them under German-led reformist pressure.

The parties that gained in the elections – especially the radical left Syriza – do not simply oppose austerity measures. They oppose any kind of pro-market reform. Syriza now derives its support from all the groups that have been able to grow and to flourish under the rent-seeking society – lawyers, teachers, government employees, early retirees, trade union members and other licensed practitioners. They have flocked to the anti-austerity parties because they fear the impact on their own government-fattened wallets of opening up the Greek economy to competition.

That attitude is what George Papandreou was talking about when he labeled his own country ‘corrupt to the bone’. That attitude is why the eurozone should remain utterly ruthless in adhering to the precise terms of its bailout.

Going into the now-inevitable June elections, Greeks should be left in no doubt that a vote against the austerity package is a vote against any bailout monies, either from the eurozone or from the IMF. Without those subsidies, any new Greek government, if such it could be called, would have no sources to meet its budget. It would crash out of the eurozone in chaos. The harm elsewhere is now containable. Private banks have taken their haircuts and minimized their exposure. The IMF and the eurozone can handle their losses and learn an important lesson.

As for the Greeks, well who cares? A country that is ‘corrupt to the bone’ deserves no sympathy for the plight that it has brought down upon itself by grossly bad behavior.


i guess papandreou is a well known anti greek from a far away from the other side of the planet...

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Re: It’s time to let Greece go

Postby kimon07 » Fri May 25, 2012 8:39 am

boomerang wrote:
Greece is corrupt to the bone
May 9, 2012


“George Papandreou, the former Pasok prime minister who resigned last year, described his own country as ‘corrupt to the bone’ in his first EU summit in 2009.....


.......i guess papandreou is a well known anti greek ......


1/4 Polish (grand mother Sofia Mineiko)
1/4 Lithuanian from his mother
1/4 American (from his mother
1/4 "Greek" (grand father George Papandreou).
Born and educated abroad.
Mother Margaret Chant renowned Greek hater.
His brothers have written numerous anti-Greek articles.
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Re: It’s time to let Greece go

Postby kimon07 » Fri May 25, 2012 8:44 am

boomerang wrote:
Greece is corrupt to the bone


Corruption: Look who is talking!

Corruption 'will cost Germany €250 billion'

Published: 16 Mar 12 09:12 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/money/20120316-41373.html

Corruption will blow a quarter-trillion-euro hole in Germany's economy in 2012, despite the country being near the top of Transparency International's anti-corruption index, an alarming new study has estimated.
The estimate, based on a study by Friedrich Schneider, economics professor at the Johannes Kepler University in Linz, Austria, topped the professor's own estimate of seven years ago, when corruption reached a low-point of €220 billion.

Economists agree that bribery and favors among public officials and private businessmen are generally dependent on the economic situation – the worse the economy, the more open people in authority are to a brown envelope under the table.

But according to a report in Die Welt newspaper, the study concludes that there are other factors at play, including what Schneider calls "increasing bad habits."

The professor thinks there are only two effective ways to prevent corruption – stricter rules and more severe punishments, or better pay. He added that the two needn't be mutually exclusive.

The researcher's conclusions are based on data from the corruption index kept by Transparency International since 1995. Germany ranks 14 in the chart of least corrupt countries.

Economists believe corruption damages the economy because bribery often leads to the best and cheapest offer losing a deal, which leads to smaller investments for these investment projects. This ultimately damages growth.

What do you think?
http://www.thelocal.de/national/20120316-41373.html

And one from 2007

HOW CORRUPT IS GERMANY?

The scandals that have tarnished Germany's image

Recent scandals suggest that Germany is not as squeaky clean as its traditional image, reports DAVID BRIERLEY
Germany is reeling. Deutschland GmbH, famed for the quality of its products rather than the largesse of its bribes, has been rocked by scandal after scandal. Nowhere is this more evident and more surprising than in the case of Siemens, the Bavarian power and communications giant embroiled in the largest bribery case in the history of the Federal Republic.
Siemens is not alone, however. Volkswagen, DaimlerChrysler, Deutsche Bank, Infineon, Deutsche Bahn, GM/Opel, Linde and Ratiopharm have all been the subject of stories about questionable practices that management either knew nothing of or actively participated in.
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Whatever the reason, the fact that even Germany, usually considered to be cleaner than clean, is so beset with scandal suggests that globalisation and its attendant corruption are two of the great challenges of business in the 21st century.”
Read the whole article below and enjoy it.
http://www.cnbcmagazine.com/story/how-c ... many/85/1/

And another one going back to 1995.

Multinational Corporations, Governance Deficits, and Corruption

Introduction

Defining the beast: basic considerations
Differences in the various forms of corruption
Corruption in developing countries
Elements of ethical assessment
Starting-points toward solutions

Introduction
Corruption is a worldwide problem. To restrict this lack of social control to the developing countries alone would be to take an unfittingly optimistic view of the pestilence. Hans-Ludwig Zachert, head of the German Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigation, has likened corruption in his country to corrosion: initially it only crops up here and there and frequently makes inroads beneath the surface. “No matter how much government apologists may maintain otherwise,” he has stated, “corruption in the public service is not just a matter of 'a few black sheep' but an alarmingly everyday occurrence in Germany.”(1) According to Zachert, the cases uncovered to date already number in the thousands. The main profiteer is organized crime which, aided by civil servants on the take, seeks to gain massive influence over the authorities. “... practically no sector is spared corruption or quasi-corrupt practices. Hardly a day passes without new cases coming to light.”(2) If timely countermeasures are not set in motion, he fears, the canker will become so widespread as to subvert the very pillars of the system.
http://www.gdrc.org/u-gov/doc-business_gg.html
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Re: It’s time to let Greece go

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri May 25, 2012 8:54 am

The sheep clone 1a, that wants to see Cyprus isolated and destroyed without allies, is bleating from the other side of the world.

- The RoC has chosen Greece as an ally and anyone who undermines Greece (especially with propaganda to help bankers and expansionists) is an enemy of freedoms, democracy and especially Cyprus!
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Re: It’s time to let Greece go

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri May 25, 2012 9:54 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:The sheep clone 1a, that wants to see Cyprus isolated and destroyed without allies, is bleating from the other side of the world.

- The RoC has chosen Greece as an ally and anyone who undermines Greece (especially with propaganda to help bankers and expansionists) is an enemy of freedoms, democracy and especially Cyprus!


Greece is in danger of going down- a tragedy for the Greek people and indeed for the whole of Europe - for reasons for which the Greek government is substantially to blame, i.e. profligate spending funded by unsustainable borrowing. No one forced the Greeks to spend and borrowed as they did . However if / when they go they are in danger of taking Cyprus (if not other parts of Europe) with them. With allies like that who needs enemies?
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Re: It’s time to let Greece go

Postby boomerang » Fri May 25, 2012 10:36 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:The sheep clone 1a, that wants to see Cyprus isolated and destroyed without allies, is bleating from the other side of the world.

- The RoC has chosen Greece as an ally and anyone who undermines Greece (especially with propaganda to help bankers and expansionists) is an enemy of freedoms, democracy and especially Cyprus!

first of all an ill attempt at a deflection with another ill constipated theory with no basis whats so ever, and not only baseless you could actually clasify it as psychotic hysteria with anything bad said about greece... :lol: ...well didn't cut muster...better luck next time...

but why are you hell bent so harsh on the messenger?...after all the 1st article was written by a much bigger economic expert than you and me and a greek to boot, while the 3rd article was said by a brother on and off prime minister of greece, originating from a clan that rulled greece on and off the last 50 odd years...

btw teddy has already identified you lot...
The majority of Greeks appear to believe that they are victims of the international financial system, of German hegemony and of unfair treatment.

this begs the question as to why, please in your own words, could these greek brothers gotten it so wrong, compared to your well thought out constipated theories..........it really begs the question...

stud you covered it well but very doubtful you drove the point home...
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Re: It’s time to let Greece go

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri May 25, 2012 1:10 pm

boomerang wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:The sheep clone 1a, that wants to see Cyprus isolated and destroyed without allies, is bleating from the other side of the world.

- The RoC has chosen Greece as an ally and anyone who undermines Greece (especially with propaganda to help bankers and expansionists) is an enemy of freedoms, democracy and especially Cyprus!

first of all an ill attempt at a deflection with another ill constipated theory with no basis whats so ever, and not only baseless you could actually clasify it as psychotic hysteria with anything bad said about greece... :lol: ...well didn't cut muster...better luck next time...

but why are you hell bent so harsh on the messenger?...after all the 1st article was written by a much bigger economic expert than you and me and a greek to boot, while the 3rd article was said by a brother on and off prime minister of greece, originating from a clan that rulled greece on and off the last 50 odd years...

btw teddy has already identified you lot...
The majority of Greeks appear to believe that they are victims of the international financial system, of German hegemony and of unfair treatment.

this begs the question as to why, please in your own words, could these greek brothers gotten it so wrong, compared to your well thought out constipated theories..........it really begs the question...

stud you covered it well but very doubtful you drove the point home...


You could be right: I think when it comes to Greece you would have trouble driving anything home, even with a pile-drive as she has a very Heelenocentric view point,but then I understand GIG is Half Greek, Half Cypriot, a point which she will no doubt deny, but about which she is in denial. Indeed I can hear the howls now at that, since as far as she is there is no such thing a Cypriot, only alleged Greeks and alleged Turks who live in Cyprus, and where despite the 1959 Agreements she wants to indulge in ethnic cleansing of the alleged Turks. That and demands for Enosisare I think at least in part a cause of the CY Prob which in my view GIG by her attitude helps prolong.
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Re: It’s time to let Greece go

Postby Lordo » Fri May 25, 2012 3:56 pm

Go to where exactly?
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