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[boomerang]

Greece is corrupt to the bone
May 9, 2012


“George Papandreou, the former Pasok prime minister who resigned last year, described his own country as ‘corrupt to the bone’ in his first EU summit in 2009.....


.......i guess papandreou is a well known anti greek ......

1/4 Polish (grand mother Sofia Mineiko)
1/4 Lithuanian from his mother
1/4 American (from his mother
1/4 "Greek" (grand father George Papandreou).
Born and educated abroad.
Mother Margaret Chant renowned Greek hater.
His brothers have written numerous anti-Greek articles.

is this what you call elevating the level of the debate kimon?...

this man was elected by the greek people such as yourself on a numerous occasions to lead your country greece...now it seems to me you are just sticking the boot in...mind you he is/was in a better position than you and i to make such statements...but here you are elevating the debate to the gutter level and picking on his ancestry, dismissing the will and respect of the greek people for voting him as prime minister in a number of occasions...mashallah...

anything on the first article, or you still digging into his ancestry?...

what's funny bordering hilarious, is the greeks in cyprus seemed to know better than the greeks of greece....amazing...

even when prominent greek people yell on top of their lungs we screwed up big time and time to fix it, the greeks in cyprus go into a frenzy, with discussions that really have nothing to with the price of fish...

well i guess this is what the greeks in cyprus call an elevated level of debate...i suppose there has to be elevation with all the constant butt hurt going around....coz without butt hurt there wouldn't be elevation...

[kimon07]

is this what you call elevating the level of the debate kimon?...

this man was elected by the greek people........now it seems to me you are just sticking the boot in..dismissing the will and respect of the greek people for voting him as prime minister.....

I suppose that being so very far-far away down under you have not heard of the latest news:
Just 18 months after his election as PM the Greek people dumbed him into the gutter of Greek politics and forced him to a disgraceful resignation, exactly for what he did and what he said and ho he proved to be during those 18 months, thus condemning him to eternal political oblivion. Now who is dismissing the will of the Greek people here?

...voting him as prime minister in a number of occasions...

...number of occasions? Boy you are far away aren't you?

anything on the first article.....?

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Kindly see my post about corruption in Germany.

what's funny bordering hilarious, is .........

Some neo-Cypriots being so eager to reproduce anything defamatory, negative or even slanderous against Greece and the Greeks but to bite their tongues when it comes to anything positive....amazing, indeed.

[kimon07]

Greece is corrupt to the bone
May 9, 2012


[b]“George Papandreou, the former Pasok prime minister who resigned last year, described his own country as ‘corrupt to the bone’ in his first EU summit in 2009.....

i guess papandreou is a well known anti greek from a far away from the other side of the planet...

regards from far away from the other side of the planet

Evidently, being so far away you have no clue about the reaalities of this part of the world. Let me enlighten you.

G.A.P..jpg

The moron looking person above, is George Andreas Papandreou, alias G.A.P., alias little Georgy (Georgakis).

He is the son of Andreas Papandreou may he R….t in H….(rest in Heaven).

Andreas Papandreou (may he RinH, was the architect and chief engineer of the extensive corruption of the public sector of Greece and the architect and the chief engineer of the bankruptcy of Greece. It was during his terms of office that his lieutenants, like Tsohatzopoulos who is now rotting in jail, and his ministers and party members and friends looted the country blind, mainly through the acquisitions of armaments, mainly from Germany but also from the US and from Russia.

Then came Simitis, the genius who is accused of having manipulated figures with the assistance of the EU and Goldman Sachs in order for Greece to be admitted to the Euro zone and whose government managed to inflate the costs of the Olympic projects three and four times above reasonable cost.

During the terms of the governments of both Andreas and Simitis, little Gorge was always serving as deputy minister or minister of some sort. But he never heard anything, poor soul, about the looting and the corruption. But you see, little Georgy had his own business running all the while, together with his mummy and his two brothers. You see, as deputy minister and later as minister of foreign affairs, little Georgy was allocating hundreds of millions of Euros to some “non profitable” and “charitable” private organizations, which, by sheer coincidence, were run or administered or controlled by his mummy and/or brothers. The funds allocated to them were never accounted for but the public prosecutor’s office is presently conducting an investigation. The public prosecutors office is also investigating information according to which the brothers of Georgy were working for some firms which made billions in profits overnight, when little Georgy shook the international banking and monetary system, when he announced a referendum (which was never held) just a few days prior to his resignation from office and the formation of the previous special task government of Papademos.

This is the man who was going around the world accusing his country of being corrupt to the bone. Admire him and glorify him. Cause next time you see his face it might look a bit….bluish, if you know what I mean.

Amen

[boomerang]

is this what you call elevating the level of the debate kimon?...

this man was elected by the greek people........now it seems to me you are just sticking the boot in..dismissing the will and respect of the greek people for voting him as prime minister.....

I suppose that being so very far-far away down under you have not heard of the latest news:
Just 18 months after his election as PM the Greek people dumbed him into the gutter of Greek politics and forced him to a disgraceful resignation, exactly for what he did and what he said and ho he proved to be during those 18 months, thus condemning him to eternal political oblivion. Now who is dismissing the will of the Greek people here?

...voting him as prime minister in a number of occasions...

...number of occasions? Boy you are far away aren't you?

anything on the first article.....?

.

Kindly see my post about corruption in Germany.

what's funny bordering hilarious, is .........

Some neo-Cypriots being so eager to reproduce anything defamatory, negative or even slanderous against Greece and the Greeks but to bite their tongues when it comes to anything positive....amazing, indeed.

so you saying greece's woes started 18 months ago when georgie got in?...and just about finished when they got "rid" of him?...the reason i say this because in your first post you only mention 18 months worth, presumption says every thing was honky dory before he got elected and everything ok once removed...

ever thought he inherited a mess going back to the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 00, 10?...hmmm, no so much of a thought huh?...the rot was down to the core kimon for some years, starting with fudging of the books to get in the eurozone...then with the cheap credit alot went to private bank accounts...it was all for grabs, there was no conspiracy, it was self inflicted...OR you telling me the cypriot banks aren't really going broke just continuing with getting the greeks sucked in...i have met simple people in my life but you really take the cake...

don't beleive me or teddy or georgie?...here is what i have been saying all along confirmed with a greek new member...

There is no doubt, the situation in Greece is a real mess.

It is true that most of our politicians were very corrupt. They stole public funds from major infrastructure projects (mostly funded by the EU) and deposited those funds into their private Swiss Bank Accounts. Whenever Greece would buy weapons from US or Germany, more funds would be stolen.

But that is not all. Business would cheat on their tax. Anyone who could would avoid as much tax as possible, including workers who were connected with tax officials who would take bribes to overlook matters.

It is not only the politicuians. It is the people as well. Every family uses their contacts to appoint their kids into Government jobs. Often jobs are created out of nothing.

The Greek "mentality" needs to change. It is obvious.

Even with this crisis, many of us look to lay blame elsewhere. This is the sad state in which Greece finds itself today.

The Greek Banking sector is also about to collapse. And if Greece leaves the Eurozone, then I don't want to be in Greece to see the social fabric collapse to nothing.

Greece is hitting the self destruct button. It has been a non functioning country unable to sustain itself for decades. It was only a matter of time before all this corruption and falseness came to a head.

found here kimon...
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus34659-170.html#p717718

well she pretty well confirmed the accuracy of the 3 articles i posted and she is from greece...what you gonna say about this huh?...

calling george a moron, is like calling the greeks that voted for him and he became a prime minister morons and pressumably according to you the greek majority at the time of voting were morons...so in the space of 18 months the majority of the greeks went from being morons to not being morons...you know how moronic this sounds...maybe not because you are sounding more and more like a greek moron...BTW isn't a sin to critisize fellow greeks and calling them morons?...
OR
ever crossed your mind maybe they were morons prior to georgie coming...again you only seemd to cover the space of 18 months and i have nothing much to go on here except from the fact and all accolades go to you for the enlightment, you established that the majority of the greeks prior to the election were smart, during the election became morons, and smarten up again after 18 months...is this why the greeks are the chosen race, because of their quick transformations?...i reckon there should be a greek character representing the greek race on startrek and it could be a cross between dr spock and a klingon and his moto should be split second transformations between dumb and dumber...i bet you would love that huh?...

nice debating we are having...you totally convinced me....anything else you discuss feel free?...

PS...the in and out was meant for the clan...a cut and paste mistake on my behalf...well done in spotting it...

[Anna_gr]

Hey, thank you for quoting me. But, I don't wish to weigh in this little battle other than to say that the Greek people are not morons. They are fighting for their survival right now. 40% of the youth are unemployed and most find themselves in this situation due to no fault of their own. Some very good and qualified people serving restaurant and cafe tables. Many now leaving for other foreign lands to build their futures.

Those that deny the dire situation in Greece are not our friends or patriots of Greece. Greece can only survive and see better days when all Greeks accept the fact that there are big problems in Greece which need to be fixed. My country needs to urgently reform itself and build its economy up over the next few years. Those that deny the problems only perpetuate them. I can only say that such individuals do not live in Greece and therefore can't appreciate the dire situation that prevails.

Greece is in big trouble, and it is going to take big changes to save Greece.

[B25]

Anna welcome and an excellent post. Bravo.

[kimon07]

so you saying greece's woes started 18 months ago when georgie got in?...

Does this look like I was refering to just 18 months? I said.

Andreas Papandreou (may he RinH) was the architect and chief engineer of the extensive corruption of the public sector of Greece and the architect and the chief engineer of the bankruptcy of Greece. It was during his terms of office that his lieutenants, like Tsohatzopoulos who is now rotting in jail, and his ministers and party members and friends looted the country blind, mainly through the acquisitions of armaments, mainly from Germany but also from the US and from Russia.

Then came Simitis, the genius who is accused of having manipulated figures with the assistance of the EU and Goldman Sachs in order for Greece to be admitted to the Euro zone and whose government managed to inflate the costs of the Olympic projects three and four times above reasonable cost.

Evidently, I was refering to the periods from 1981 to 1989 (Andreas) and 1993 to at least 2004 (Andreas-Simitis) when all the dirty tricks were performed by Andreas and his mafia party.

And in my previous post I said that it took only 18 months of George in office for the Greek people to realise who he realy is and what he was doing to the country and send him to political oblivion. So you either have a problem understanding what you read or, most probably, you are twisting the meaning of my posts. So typical of you....

[boomerang]

Hey, thank you for quoting me. But, I don't wish to weigh in this little battle other than to say that the Greek people are not morons. They are fighting for their survival right now. 40% of the youth are unemployed and most find themselves in this situation due to no fault of their own. Some very good and qualified people serving restaurant and cafe tables. Many now leaving for other foreign lands to build their futures.

Those that deny the dire situation in Greece are not our friends or patriots of Greece. Greece can only survive and see better days when all Greeks accept the fact that there are big problems in Greece which need to be fixed. My country needs to urgently reform itself and build its economy up over the next few years. Those that deny the problems only perpetuate them. I can only say that such individuals do not live in Greece and therefore can't appreciate the dire situation that prevails.

Greece is in big trouble, and it is going to take big changes to save Greece.

hi anna, just for the record i didn't call greeks morons, but just making reference to kimon's post in calling a winning prime minister a moron...calling an elected prime minister a moron when the majority voted for him, would make this majority morons...wouldn't it not?...

i absolutely agree with you re greek state of affairs...if you were to read the first 3 posts, in this thread, you would see this...the only people that took offence to my postings, well you can see them...you can also read their drivel...

[boomerang]

so you saying greece's woes started 18 months ago when georgie got in?...

Does this look like I was refering to just 18 months? I said.

Andreas Papandreou (may he RinH) was the architect and chief engineer of the extensive corruption of the public sector of Greece and the architect and the chief engineer of the bankruptcy of Greece. It was during his terms of office that his lieutenants, like Tsohatzopoulos who is now rotting in jail, and his ministers and party members and friends looted the country blind, mainly through the acquisitions of armaments, mainly from Germany but also from the US and from Russia.

Then came Simitis, the genius who is accused of having manipulated figures with the assistance of the EU and Goldman Sachs in order for Greece to be admitted to the Euro zone and whose government managed to inflate the costs of the Olympic projects three and four times above reasonable cost.

Evidently, I was refering to the periods from 1981 to 1989 (Andreas) and 1993 to at least 2004 (Andreas-Simitis) when all the dirty tricks were performed by Andreas and his mafia party.

And in my previous post I said that it took only 18 months of George in office for the Greek people to realise who he realy is and what he was doing to the country and send him to political oblivion. So you either have a problem understanding what you read or, most probably, you are twisting the meaning of my posts. So typical of you....

evidently omitting to respond to your second post went right over your head huh?...it's too early for alice in wonderland stories...i was saving this one for bed time...switching between your drivel and conjuring wicked thoughts on alice...hmmm a tough one hey kimon?...

[Anna_gr]

so you saying greece's woes started 18 months ago when georgie got in?...

Does this look like I was refering to just 18 months? I said.

Andreas Papandreou (may he RinH) was the architect and chief engineer of the extensive corruption of the public sector of Greece and the architect and the chief engineer of the bankruptcy of Greece. It was during his terms of office that his lieutenants, like Tsohatzopoulos who is now rotting in jail, and his ministers and party members and friends looted the country blind, mainly through the acquisitions of armaments, mainly from Germany but also from the US and from Russia.

Then came Simitis, the genius who is accused of having manipulated figures with the assistance of the EU and Goldman Sachs in order for Greece to be admitted to the Euro zone and whose government managed to inflate the costs of the Olympic projects three and four times above reasonable cost.

Evidently, I was refering to the periods from 1981 to 1989 (Andreas) and 1993 to at least 2004 (Andreas-Simitis) when all the dirty tricks were performed by Andreas and his mafia party.

And in my previous post I said that it took only 18 months of George in office for the Greek people to realise who he realy is and what he was doing to the country and send him to political oblivion. So you either have a problem understanding what you read or, most probably, you are twisting the meaning of my posts. So typical of you....

These kind of opinions are most unhelpful and strange as a matter of fact. But I do not blame this poster because such ideologically driven opinions are common in Greece amongst the older generations in particular and the uneducated.

Greeks support their political party through thick and thin. The only exception to the rule is now, only because many Greeks are unwilling to undergo more Austerity and reform. Once again, many Greeks are only looking at their pockets and seem to not care that much for Greece itself. It once again comes down to the Euro.

The above poster calls PASOK the "mafia" party. Whilst this may not be altogether incorrect, because they were in power for many years and did lay the foundations for cronyism, he ignores the contributions of New Democracy for also establishing and perpetuation the very same corruption and cronyism. Yet New Democracy escapes his classification of "Mafia" Party!

I do not wish to berate the above member, but merely point out that this type of attitude is common in Greece.

And these attitudes do not help Greece at all because it is these attitudes that try to lay the blame on one particular party or another without looking at the reality of the matter. New Democracy was also in power for many years and did nothing to stop corruption. Why would they? They too benefited from the corruption by stealing money and buying votes for jobs to their supporter base.

I think it was the same poster that referred to George Papandreou's heritage and ethnicity. Quite bizarre to say the least.

Yes, it is going to be hard work indeed, especially with these kind of attitudes being the norm. Not only do we have to fight corruption and injustice in our God Foresaken country, but attitudes such as these which are commonplace.